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Click here to view trailer =20 =20 Copyright 2009 The New York Times Company | Privacy Policy=20 =20 = From dpagano@igc.org Fri Apr 3 02:22:47 2009 Received: from elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.69]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n336MjJR019085 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:22:46 -0400 Received: from [209.86.224.40] (helo=elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net) by elasmtp-mealy.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Lpcnd-0002Xz-Nf; Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:22:45 -0400 Received: from 99.190.98.75 by webmail.earthlink.net with HTTP; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: <22668989.1238739765805.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> From: Darlene Pagano To: Love & politics egroup , UU Poly , sf poly elist Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: EarthLink Zoo Mail 1.0 X-ELNK-Trace: 39a82346d7ceb269f84080ff3e30f22c6a2f086943c80a4189954bb69f70fe76350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 209.86.224.40 Subject: [UUPoly-L] [SF Bay Area]CSC book event: Why Bi and Poly Love are Good for the Planet X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Darlene Pagano , uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:22:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 02:22:45 -0400 (EDT) X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Apr 2009 06:22:55 -0000 > >... because they involve sharing, fairness, and negotiation and turn >scarcity into abundance. > >http://sexandculture.org/events.html?task=view_detail&agid=97&year=2009&month=04&day=11&catids=34%7C52%7C53 Interesting sounding event, and worthwhile. An author and a couple of books I had not yet heard of. Darlene visit the website of ColorLines magazine www.colorlines.com From sablehairangel@comcast.net Fri Apr 3 20:14:55 2009 Received: from QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.24]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n340DjlC013991 for ; Fri, 3 Apr 2009 20:14:55 -0400 Received: from OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.11]) by QMTA02.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id axmk1b0020EZKEL52CDVJs; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:13:29 +0000 Received: from sz0096.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.154]) by OMTA01.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id bCDb1b01N3KfEjQ3MCDblb; Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:13:35 +0000 From: sablehairangel@comcast.net To: Darlene Pagano , uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <107536357.3397481238804015763.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <22668989.1238739765805.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [76.118.88.118] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] [SF Bay Area]CSC book event: Why Bi and Poly Love are Good for the Planet X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:14:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2009 00:13:35 +0000 (UTC) X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2009 00:14:55 -0000 Where is this event taking place? It doesn't give the location, I am very interested if it's nearby. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darlene Pagano" To: "Love & politics egroup" , "UU Poly" , "sf poly elist" Sent: Friday, April 3, 2009 2:22:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [UUPoly-L] [SF Bay Area]CSC book event: Why Bi and Poly Love are Good for the Planet > >... because they involve sharing, fairness, and negotiation and turn >scarcity into abundance. > >http://sexandculture.org/events.html?task=view_detail&agid=97&year=2009&month=04&day=11&catids=34%7C52%7C53 Interesting sounding event, and worthwhile. An author and a couple of books I had not yet heard of. Darlene visit the website of ColorLines magazine www.colorlines.com _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From ruggierotheknight@gmail.com Fri Apr 10 14:56:21 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f180.google.com (mail-gx0-f180.google.com [209.85.217.180]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3AIuL6u003155 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:56:21 -0400 Received: by gxk28 with SMTP id 28so2623676gxk.2 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.217.14 with SMTP id p14mr7177384ybg.242.1239389780494; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2e4dfbf30904101156s55f37456m3f9d48549590baf6@mail.gmail.com> From: Ruggiero The Knight To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Salem MA - Poly-Friendly Church X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:56:21 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 14:56:20 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 18:56:21 -0000 My family will be moving to Salem, MA this summer - anyone know if the local UU Church is poly-friendly? Scott From valerie@valeriewhite.org Fri Apr 10 15:42:10 2009 Received: from cosmos.phy.tufts.edu (cosmos.phy.tufts.edu [130.64.83.16]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3AJf0MM006211 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:42:10 -0400 Received: from p92-11.acedsl.com ([66.114.92.11]:1400 helo=VW.valeriewhite.org) by cosmos.phy.tufts.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1LsMax-0000np-K8 for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:40:59 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20090410153909.0261b248@valeriewhite.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: Valerie White In-Reply-To: <2e4dfbf30904101156s55f37456m3f9d48549590baf6@mail.gmail.co m> References: <2e4dfbf30904101156s55f37456m3f9d48549590baf6@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Salem MA - Poly-Friendly Church X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:42:10 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 15:41:16 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:42:10 -0000 At 02:56 PM 4/10/2009, you wrote: >My family will be moving to Salem, MA this summer - anyone know if the local >UU Church is poly-friendly? I think so. There's a poly extended family in Salem and they've used the Universalist church for rites of passage I know. Salem is full of Pagans. However, if you don't mind the drive you can go to mine in Sharon, where I'm out completely. Arlington St. Church in downtown Boston is also poly/lgbt/bdsm friendly. Valerie From JasmineGld@aol.com Fri Apr 10 17:26:47 2009 Received: from imr-m08.mx.aol.com (imr-m08.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.210]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3ALQjTb013107 for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:26:46 -0400 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-m08.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN7-849dfb91e1df; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:24:46 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id g.cb0.3de7891a (39954) for ; Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:24:40 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.201 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Salem MA - Poly-Friendly Church X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:26:47 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 17:24:40 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2009 21:26:47 -0000 In a message dated 4/10/2009 2:56:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ruggierotheknight@gmail.com writes: > My family will be moving to Salem, MA this summer - > anyone know if the local UU Church is poly-friendly? Putting 01970 in the zip code search, I found 2 congregations in Salem, in the same zip code 6 congregations within 5 miles 11 congregations within 10 miles 20 congregations within 15 miles Are you comfortable contacting the ministers/presidents and asking them? Jasmine **************Feeling the pinch at the grocery store? Make dinner for $10 or less. (http://food.aol.com/frugal-feasts?ncid=emlcntusfood00000001) From the_neverending_Lover@yahoo.com Sat Apr 11 17:14:42 2009 Received: from smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.13.42]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3BLDWms024031 for ; Sat, 11 Apr 2009 17:14:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 76371 invoked from network); 11 Apr 2009 21:13:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO SeanFEB2009) (the_neverending_Lover@213.255.229.97 with login) by smtp103.prem.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Apr 2009 21:13:05 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 1zVJa3sVM1llozVz6_Zp4ueDyKlNdlSlASGcTt5lFiKb3q8n70AQ7uboCdbdygMoi6cBnh46RULuje2sZcLaOvZ7l72DxSqS4hHtMvpnXjPCV1eb2N_V1VSR6qhrnibqIW0MjzCQc4LSwA8qaZabXc3.bUn400iNIAYzBmgEEsbDCeZ6jdqFqrFtcHhZHBGbplBtelShvcSUtpjhn_tvIXdF.0A_I.Qjua3DiSQLBkCgO92HHK8T8SvbWU66eVCpubAzio.J_FLiQwo2 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Sean" To: Message-ID: <005b01c9baea$533dc340$f9b949c0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acm66i5lhMsx/S7MRiGJuXF+8hE6QA== Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Moving to El Paso, TX and looking for support X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:14:42 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 00:12:12 +0300 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:14:42 -0000 We are moving to El Paso, TX in November and looking to find Poly Friendly UUs and support. it's hard enough being military. Being Poly and in the Military is a big monster. LOL but we are managing. In Germany and Iraq right now and can't wait to get back to the states and pull our family together finally under one roof for once. Sean "Don't Panic!" From desmondravenstone@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 19:52:21 2009 Received: from web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.78]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3CNqLcw018486 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 19:52:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 1737 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Apr 2009 23:52:21 -0000 Message-ID: <47689.1013.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: aOH5RTIVM1msHkG89e5_kQIw.nBvTjqrg7irqbL_DUZt9UQbuVkNY6f0se5d2IO7qMeSZNd1hYrUUUjL2tLhHjs1jYuD62LUfUXZYBdM_5pfXRRHNnBV.1jyydz.hFOk5_t8dgvyTsdlL6Z5PyEZqvH.mGKJ9NDirkgO_5C0zZ34nEo47XgAnjvxr.ZEBzO9H6So8kYAa5mzTaxXWDMoJIn5e._cpMc9CW0kDaB8aog5vg.YF2Azjclbf6_Nc2YWVeBGT5LqF30UvkuJ7sgG51TsuBA- Received: from [173.100.47.230] by web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:52:20 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 From: Desmond Ravenstone To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3CNqLcw018486 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:52:21 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:52:20 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 23:52:21 -0000 Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen DeGeneres. Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site. The “reason”: Amazon.com considers such content as “adult” and therefore no longer worthy of a sales ranking. Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Amazing Sex” “Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz” “Traci Lords: Underneath It All” “Playboy: The Complete Centerfolds” “A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality” and a number of other “ex-gay” books There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including many people pledging to boycott the site altogether. You can find out more at this blog: http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books Desmond Ravenstone "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard Shaw http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone From greystone.house@pacbell.net Sun Apr 12 20:00:37 2009 Received: from n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n13a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.51]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3CNxRYh019276 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:00:37 -0400 Received: from [68.142.200.225] by n13.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:59:26 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.250] by t6.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:59:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 12 Apr 2009 23:59:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 690345.45290.bm@omp411.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 49236 invoked from network); 12 Apr 2009 23:59:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMILYADMINPC) (greystone.house@75.41.56.21 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2009 23:59:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lDYmDwQVM1mPUKoVU_LG9QRO3G8W8q97sZ6MfRhAyK_QDP6JvrEjCh0vBc5R_Aoouy7nnDjFw7Daj0CJTYyRD_wyDXDnkWPxaPdA2UUGy8Sw8fW30kAp385CRnJR1dAR0VPY2.3kztz0_z1nwMw9AJxn.5h8L26NC3zOI3S.CywJHA_HdURNjrDn9NHxi3RQ125oVnqLL1w18g7qWVilSO.e9u36KATVTTQ7xhKYC8iOHRaNrNy0mMeHZjIlSO9tydTUAucFVZCbkO3L1NEd2VJALkApXCOWvT8D6x4PzBcExQBGS_2Z2GM9 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <7A8BA6CF58F64A5EB3B569D5BCFFA858@EMILYADMINPC> From: "Emily M.-R. B." To: References: <47689.1013.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <47689.1013.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Organization: Greystone House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:00:37 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 16:59:20 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:00:37 -0000 Interesting.... Wonder what they're doing to poly books? Regardless, this should perhaps be forwarded to other poly lists, with your permission.... Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Desmond Ravenstone" > > Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for Unitarian > Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping sales rankings off of > many GLBT books, including books by or about famous GLBT folks like > Stephen Fry and Ellen DeGeneres. From sablehairangel@comcast.net Sun Apr 12 20:07:59 2009 Received: from QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.32]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3D06n6F020073 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:07:59 -0400 Received: from OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.27]) by QMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ejz91b0020bG4ec53o6F4X; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:06:15 +0000 Received: from sz0096.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.154]) by OMTA03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eo6c1b00F3KfEjQ3Po6c6R; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:06:36 +0000 From: sablehairangel@comcast.net To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <1388214239.1162411239581200813.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <47689.1013.qm@web50502.mail.re2.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.232.212.150] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:07:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:06:40 +0000 (UTC) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:07:59 -0000 I am deeply appalled by this. Is there some way Interweave can coordinate a= mass direction action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to amazon= .com's CEO or something? Something similar was done with Veg.com when Boca = was going to increase it's eggs in their products and we actually got them = to decrease the eggs significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A= LOT for random things.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Desmond Ravenstone" =20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com=20 Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for Unitarian Univer= salists) that Amazon.com has been stripping sales rankings off of many GLBT= books, including books by or about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and = Ellen DeGeneres.=20 Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site.=20 The =E2=80=9Creason=E2=80=9D: Amazon.com considers such content as =E2=80= =9Cadult=E2=80=9D and therefore no longer worthy of a sales ranking.=20 Meanwhile, books not considered adult include:=20 =E2=80=9CThe Complete Idiot=E2=80=99s Guide to Amazing Sex=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=9CRon Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=9CTraci Lords: Underneath It All=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CPlayboy: The Comp= lete Centerfolds=E2=80=9D=20 =E2=80=9CA Parent=E2=80=99s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality=E2=80=9D and = a number of other =E2=80=9Cex-gay=E2=80=9D books=20 There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including many people pled= ging to boycott the site altogether.=20 You can find out more at this blog:=20 http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books=20 Desmond Ravenstone=20 "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto you. Their tastes = may not be the same." -- George Bernard Shaw=20 http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone=20 _______________________________________________=20 The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=20 Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself.= =20 UUPoly-L mailing list=20 UUPoly-L@uupa.org=20 http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=20 From desmondravenstone@yahoo.com Sun Apr 12 20:19:32 2009 Received: from web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.39.240]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3D0IMG5021104 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:19:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 85488 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2009 00:18:21 -0000 Message-ID: <896920.84579.qm@web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: RBXFQR0VM1lVknJKctlSi9M8XgA4x0RNW6cHwhxSI9yyU28lO.xvhnsnAXIeVD00tR8iTecF9daV56JQrnwxhJbHZhswx2mAP06WPiUblmcSdBd3Mmp_INeDp4OvfKXkOEGGSzPAVuNq.x1t1.d_IxeU9ot_QZHrONJF5uW2YMtf8Ph9lJeaHdck1SKkf_dgNvf1vHvoC61_RpdyVZJ3jgoOAnP2xz2goV271Cw7fnPs5HKXsQD.ymagCQLF0kpJp5.ztPq91EpVBiJH8cYE84y66W3bQFKsT6r0YvsfwoPmpyYTvUUeUk_EJjncRcAO1A3LC53L92LFeixl Received: from [173.100.47.230] by web50511.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:18:21 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 From: Desmond Ravenstone To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:19:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:18:21 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:19:32 -0000 Cross-post away! =A0 Desmond Ravenstone =A0 "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto you. Their tastes = may not be the same." -- George Bernard Shaw =A0 http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone --- On Sun, 4/12/09, Emily M.-R. B. wrote: From: Emily M.-R. B. Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:59 PM Interesting.... Wonder what they're doing to poly books? Regardless, this should perhaps be forwarded to other poly lists, with your= =20 permission.... Emily ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Desmond Ravenstone" > > Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for Unitarian=20 > Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping sales rankings off of= =20 > many GLBT books, including books by or about famous GLBT folks like=20 > Stephen Fry and Ellen DeGeneres.=20 _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l =0A=0A=0A From Elastraz@aol.com Sun Apr 12 20:21:29 2009 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3D0LTxL021686 for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:21:29 -0400 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (v107.10) with ESMTP id RELAYIN5-649e2854445; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:20:20 -0400 Received: from Elastraz@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id g.bf7.587c1e7e (29679) for ; Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:20:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Elastraz@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 VR sub 5201 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-IP: 205.188.169.200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:21:30 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2009 20:20:18 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 00:21:30 -0000 Greetings,Desmond and All: I personally find this news very disconcerting,especially since I have liked the format of the company for shopping online-reading reviews and everything.Thank you for the information.I'm currently in a U.U. Congregation at Rock Tavern,N.Y.and GLBT rights are very much supported here ,of course. WellWishes, Pasha **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) From popefelix@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 11:16:40 2009 Received: from mail-fx0-f171.google.com (mail-fx0-f171.google.com [209.85.220.171]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DFGdUB006119 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:16:39 -0400 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so2183015fxm.26 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.127.4 with SMTP id e4mr1709852fas.100.1239635797043; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Kit Peters To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3DFGdUB006119 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:16:40 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:16:36 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:16:40 -0000 Submitted for your consideration: http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html Summary: This may not be intentional per se on Amazon's part. Some entity may be abusing Amazon's flagging system causing LGBTQ material to be flagged as "Adult". KP On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 19:20, wrote: > Greetings,Desmond and All: >                                             I personally find this news > very disconcerting,especially since I have liked the  format of the company > for shopping online-reading reviews and everything.Thank  you for the > information.I'm currently in a U.U. Congregation at Rock  Tavern,N.Y.and GLBT rights > are very much supported here ,of course. >                 WellWishes, >                    Pasha > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy > steps! > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D668072%26 > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 From greystone.house@pacbell.net Mon Apr 13 11:43:55 2009 Received: from n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n8a.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.87.104]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3DFgiAY008246 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:43:55 -0400 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n8.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.67] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 Apr 2009 15:42:44 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 441055.7902.bm@omp419.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 68567 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2009 15:42:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMILYADMINPC) (greystone.house@75.41.56.21 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Apr 2009 15:42:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 0v0owWYVM1lkD7L8dBSOQp6HbZeQmeh5EFXu0j41ML4ZETdhlt5GanTi1DIZPfGoX8IN1E6ij53SStriJ6HON3mSroHejAB8q.64E7RWu6AhcHzqgPoNJk7FzbsQDZ4nnd6igJzTPcDyn6Xvt7MH6FrTIfeNFKwVBllvUooNBExdm9ast5fgonY0.q7b4PPkz0bFPEwOxAM5dYotgh2W0nfeRPRoHeU8FMmyM.UFjalGaxR4DCbm3Ec7UcC6bCB2AYoREICVVgtFjK3phzN1URycn5VRfY3920N3r9TA6rMf_38N6Aq39A-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <4BF99B64FFBB4E31A639493D0CCA2786@EMILYADMINPC> From: "Emily M.-R. B." To: References: In-Reply-To: Organization: Greystone House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:43:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 08:42:39 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:43:55 -0000 Hmmm.... I held off on any cross-posting yesterday, not wishing to do so without doing some checking for myself, first. Perhaps that's just as well! I did check Amazon, and all of the poly non-fiction that I looked at still had their sales ranks attached. Amusingly, Ravenscroft's _Polyamory: Roadmaps for the Clueless & Hopeful_ not only has its general sales rank, it's #97 in the "books > reference > atlases & maps > world" section. And again I say hmmm.... :) Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kit Peters" > Submitted for your consideration: > > http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html > > Summary: This may not be intentional per se on Amazon's part. Some > entity may be abusing Amazon's flagging system causing LGBTQ material > to be flagged as "Adult". > > KP From earthfather@cfnc.us Mon Apr 13 12:05:53 2009 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DG4htq010215 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:05:53 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.172.95]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KI100H6NRANYCPR@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:03:59 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: Message-id: <8C02718B9BFC4900A98C03D9B9260AEE@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-index: Acm8SwNCP+3edBxISCC1spHPTBj3NwABhrfA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3DG4htq010215 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:05:53 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:04:10 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:05:53 -0000 Note that the livejournal author starts with: "Disclaimer: Please note that this is just a theory, and take it as such." In any event, regardless of how it happened, whether consciously or unconsciously, Amazon needs to deal with this problem, and singing a petition is a reasonable way to bring it to their attention: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/in-protest-at-amazons-new-adult-policy Michael Rios > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > Behalf Of Kit Peters > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:17 AM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com > > Submitted for your consideration: > > http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html > > Summary: This may not be intentional per se on Amazon's part. > Some entity may be abusing Amazon's flagging system causing > LGBTQ material to be flagged as "Adult". > > KP > > > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 19:20, wrote: > > Greetings,Desmond and All: > > I personally find this > > news very disconcerting,especially since I have liked the > format of > > the company for shopping online-reading reviews and > everything.Thank > > you for the information.I'm currently in a U.U. > Congregation at Rock > > Tavern,N.Y.and GLBT rights are very much supported here ,of course. > > WellWishes, > > Pasha > > **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See > yours in just 2 > > easy steps! > > > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1220572838x1201387489/aol?red > > > ir=http:%2F%2Fwww.freecreditreport.com%2Fpm%2Fdefault.aspx%3Fsc%3D6680 > > 72%26 > > hmpgID%3D62%26bcd%3DAprilfooterNO62) > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > > -- > GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD > 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From alan7388@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 13:07:53 2009 Received: from yw-out-1718.google.com (yw-out-1718.google.com [74.125.46.158]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DH7rU0016567 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:07:53 -0400 Received: by yw-out-1718.google.com with SMTP id 5so1632605ywr.2 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.35.66 with SMTP id o2mr967339ibd.2.1239642455289; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 10:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9c57a1650904131007q3473f11sdfbfd9cd81f417db@mail.gmail.com> From: Alan alan7388 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3DH7rU0016567 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just a Bantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:07:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:07:35 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:07:54 -0000 This may not be Amazons doing at all. It could just be a bantown meta-troll at work, which Amazon will have to scramble to undo. More information: http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html Stay tuned, Alan M. From earthfather@cfnc.us Mon Apr 13 14:12:59 2009 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DIBn6M020229 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:12:59 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.172.95]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KI100G00X6TAWVB@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:11:18 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <9c57a1650904131007q3473f11sdfbfd9cd81f417db@mail.gmail.com> Message-id: <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <9c57a1650904131007q3473f11sdfbfd9cd81f417db@mail.gmail.com> Thread-index: Acm8WnYG317s8m7GQsyxoDB9xyIm1AACKO/g X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just aBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:12:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:11:30 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:12:59 -0000 I don't know how Amazon cannot be involved to some degree. If you do a search on "homosexuality", the vast majority of the titles that show up first are ones on how to "cure" homosexuality, or why God hates you for it... Michael Rios > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > Behalf Of Alan alan7388 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:08 PM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com > -- or just aBantown troll? > > This may not be Amazon's doing at all. It could just be a > bantown meta-troll at work, which Amazon will have to > scramble to undo. More > information: > http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Mon Apr 13 14:16:19 2009 Received: from web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.254]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3DIF768020872 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:16:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 59433 invoked by uid 60001); 13 Apr 2009 18:15:07 -0000 Message-ID: <10504.43671.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Received: from [74.193.193.81] by web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:15:04 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3DIF768020872 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:16:19 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 11:15:04 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 18:16:19 -0000 Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who cares about chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared correctly then it is a danger. They should be cooked correctly to prevent salmonella. BWS --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net wrote: > From: sablehairangel@comcast.net > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM > I am deeply appalled by this. Is > there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction > action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to > amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done > with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in > their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs > significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT > for random things. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Desmond Ravenstone" > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > > Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00 > US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com > > > Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for > Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping > sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or > about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen > DeGeneres. > > Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site. > > > The “reason”: Amazon.com considers such content as > “adult” and therefore no longer worthy of a sales > ranking. > > Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: > “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Amazing Sex” > “Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz” > “Traci Lords: Underneath It All” “Playboy: The > Complete Centerfolds” > “A Parent’s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality” and a > number of other “ex-gay” books > > There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including > many people pledging to boycott the site altogether. > > You can find out more at this blog: > http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books > > > Desmond Ravenstone > > "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto > you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard > Shaw > > http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From brigittefires@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 15:14:23 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f157.google.com (mail-ew0-f157.google.com [209.85.219.157]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DJEMAS024688 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:14:22 -0400 Received: by ewy1 with SMTP id 1so2452117ewy.26 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:14:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.210.120.7 with SMTP id s7mr2214499ebc.79.1239650060234; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:14:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <10504.43671.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <10504.43671.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: From: Brigitte Fires To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3DJEMAS024688 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:14:23 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:14:20 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:14:23 -0000 People who are trying to avoid animal products, reduce cholesterol*, and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would feel it's a VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and I feel it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the worth of someone else's opinions. * Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly actually helps reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary cholesterol, they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other foods to create a protein source), and it's been proven that dietary cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. Also, they have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they have in them. Brigitte On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith wrote: > > Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who cares about chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared correctly then it is a danger. They should be cooked correctly to prevent salmonella. > > BWS > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net wrote: > >> From: sablehairangel@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM >> I am deeply appalled by this. Is >> there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction >> action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to >> amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done >> with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in >> their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs >> significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT >> for random things. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Desmond Ravenstone" >> >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00 >> US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >> >> >> Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for >> Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping >> sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or >> about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen >> DeGeneres. >> >> Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site. >> >> >> The reason: Amazon.com considers such content as >> adult and therefore no longer worthy of a sales >> ranking. >> >> Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: >> The Complete Idiots Guide to Amazing Sex >> Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz >> Traci Lords: Underneath It All Playboy: The >> Complete Centerfolds >> A Parents Guide to Preventing Homosexuality and a >> number of other ex-gay books >> >> There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including >> many people pledging to boycott the site altogether. >> >> You can find out more at this blog: >> http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books >> >> >> Desmond Ravenstone >> >> "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto >> you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard >> Shaw >> >> http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >> about yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >> about yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From sablehairangel@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 15:17:43 2009 Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DJGX3d025216 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 15:17:43 -0400 Received: from OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.28]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id eyl31b0090cZkys5A7GTBw; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:16:27 +0000 Received: from sz0096.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.154]) by OMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f7GT1b00N3KfEjQ3W7GTQE; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:16:27 +0000 From: sablehairangel@comcast.net To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <239258602.1497081239650187734.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.232.212.150] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:17:43 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:16:27 +0000 (UTC) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:17:43 -0000 My example was pertaining to one petition list that was set up towards Boca= . If you're arguing over the fact if eggs are worth fighting the reduction = for, I am vegan and therefore keeping Boca, a leading producer of vegan bur= gers, vegan is important to me. I was simply stating that something similar= could be done towards Amazon.com=20 Thank you Brigitte for your input as well.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Brigitte Fires" =20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern=20 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!?=20 People who are trying to avoid animal products, reduce cholesterol*,=20 and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would feel it's a=20 VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and I feel=20 it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the worth of=20 someone else's opinions.=20 * Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly actually helps=20 reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary cholesterol,=20 they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other foods to=20 create a protein source), and it's been proven that dietary=20 cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. Also, they=20 have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they have in them.=20 Brigitte=20 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith wrote:= =20 >=20 > Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who cares abou= t chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared correctly then it is a dan= ger. They should be cooked correctly to prevent salmonella.=20 >=20 > BWS=20 >=20 > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net wrote:=20 >=20 >> From: sablehairangel@comcast.net =20 >> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com=20 >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 >> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM=20 >> I am deeply appalled by this. Is=20 >> there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction=20 >> action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to=20 >> amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done=20 >> with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in=20 >> their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs=20 >> significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT=20 >> for random things.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message -----=20 >> From: "Desmond Ravenstone" =20 >>=20 >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 >>=20 >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00=20 >> US/Canada Eastern=20 >> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for=20 >> Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping=20 >> sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or=20 >> about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen=20 >> DeGeneres.=20 >>=20 >> Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> The =E2=80=9Creason=E2=80=9D: Amazon.com considers such content as=20 >> =E2=80=9Cadult=E2=80=9D and therefore no longer worthy of a sales=20 >> ranking.=20 >>=20 >> Meanwhile, books not considered adult include:=20 >> =E2=80=9CThe Complete Idiot=E2=80=99s Guide to Amazing Sex=E2=80=9D=20 >> =E2=80=9CRon Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz=E2=80=9D=20 >> =E2=80=9CTraci Lords: Underneath It All=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CPlayboy: The= =20 >> Complete Centerfolds=E2=80=9D=20 >> =E2=80=9CA Parent=E2=80=99s Guide to Preventing Homosexuality=E2=80=9D a= nd a=20 >> number of other =E2=80=9Cex-gay=E2=80=9D books=20 >>=20 >> There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including=20 >> many people pledging to boycott the site altogether.=20 >>=20 >> You can find out more at this blog:=20 >> http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books= =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Desmond Ravenstone=20 >>=20 >> "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto=20 >> you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard=20 >> Shaw=20 >>=20 >> http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=20 >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal=20 >> about yourself.=20 >> UUPoly-L mailing list=20 >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org=20 >>=20 >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=20 >> _______________________________________________=20 >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=20 >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal=20 >> about yourself.=20 >> UUPoly-L mailing list=20 >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org=20 >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________=20 > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=20 > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself.= =20 > UUPoly-L mailing list=20 > UUPoly-L@uupa.org=20 > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=20 >=20 _______________________________________________=20 The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=20 Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself.= =20 UUPoly-L mailing list=20 UUPoly-L@uupa.org=20 http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=20 From rcampoy44@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 16:32:49 2009 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.175]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DKWnpl029527 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:32:49 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2133855wfg.8 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:32:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.169.4 with SMTP id r4mr2761080wfe.105.1239654759408; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:32:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: Robert Campoy To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:32:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:32:39 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:32:50 -0000 Hi, I'm doing research for Polyamory documentary and would appreciate anyone willing to give me any information. So far, I have found plenty of people willing to talk about straight relationships and so now I'm really focusing my search towards the gay community. Thanks very much for your help! Robert From keithleeds@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 16:53:18 2009 Received: from mail-qy0-f109.google.com (mail-qy0-f109.google.com [209.85.221.109]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DKrIK4031106 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:53:18 -0400 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so4144368qyk.10 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:53:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: keithleeds@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.100.7 with SMTP id w7mr1792030qcn.5.1239655528846; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:45:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO> References: <9c57a1650904131007q3473f11sdfbfd9cd81f417db@mail.gmail.com> <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO> X-Google-Sender-Auth: aa2eb54b67c6288b Message-ID: <810828690904131345r44292667labe942fbba842cd4@mail.gmail.com> From: Keith Brown To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just aBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:53:19 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 13:45:28 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:53:19 -0000 That would definitely indicate some consciousness behind their showing up or being banned, but by no means would it indicate attribution. Anyone with a spider and a shopping list could zap their system. It's yet another sort of Denial-of-Service attack on a website. It has the added advantage of being socially viral as well... getting all the pro and anti- groups to rally their troops and flood Amazon with their versions of "the right way". -Keith On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 11:11 AM, Michael Rios wrote: > I don't know how Amazon cannot be involved to some degree. > > If you do a search on "homosexuality", the vast majority of the titles that > show up first are ones on how to "cure" homosexuality, or why God hates you > for it... > > Michael Rios > > From sablehairangel@comcast.net Mon Apr 13 16:58:24 2009 Received: from QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.56]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DKvETu031714 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:58:24 -0400 Received: from OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by QMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id ezh91b00816LCl0568wVus; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:56:29 +0000 Received: from sz0096.wc.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.58.154]) by OMTA06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id f8x51b00G3KfEjQ3S8x5ul; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:57:05 +0000 From: sablehairangel@comcast.net To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <951520664.1551621239656225094.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [71.232.212.150] X-Mailer: Zimbra 5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - FF2.0 (Win)/5.0.11_GA_2730.RHEL5_64) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:58:24 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:57:05 +0000 (UTC) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:58:24 -0000 Well, I am in a triad with one biomale and an FTM, and myself a FTM, and we consider ourselves gay/queer/pan. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Campoy" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:32:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary Hi, I'm doing research for Polyamory documentary and would appreciate anyone willing to give me any information. So far, I have found plenty of people willing to talk about straight relationships and so now I'm really focusing my search towards the gay community. Thanks very much for your help! Robert _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From rcampoy44@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 17:17:02 2009 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.173]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DLH0Is000994 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 17:17:00 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2152596wfg.8 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:16:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.246.19 with SMTP id t19mr2775931wfh.9.1239657410459; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:16:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <951520664.1551621239656225094.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> References: <951520664.1551621239656225094.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: From: Robert Campoy To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:17:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:16:50 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:17:02 -0000 Great, an arrangement like your triad is just what we're looking for. Ideally, we're looking for people in the age range of 20-28. If you're not in that range that's fine, I would still love to talk to you. Would you be willing to give me a bit more information about yourself (age, location, etc.)? Thanks so much for your response, I look forward to hearing back from you! On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 1:57 PM, wrote: > Well, I am in a triad with one biomale and an FTM, and myself a FTM, and we > consider ourselves gay/queer/pan. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robert Campoy" > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:32:39 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary > > Hi, > I'm doing research for Polyamory documentary and would appreciate anyone > willing to give me any information. So far, I have found plenty of people > willing to talk about straight relationships and so now I'm really focusing > my search towards the gay community. Thanks very much for your help! > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- Robert Campoy robertcampoy.com From catdeville@cox.net Mon Apr 13 19:08:17 2009 Received: from fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (fed1rmmtao105.cox.net [68.230.241.41]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DN76LN008148 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:08:16 -0400 Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090413230604.ERBK15318.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:04 -0400 Received: from infinity ([68.7.251.250]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id fB631b0025QuEGc03B63MV; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:06:03 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=IVgIdVCEAAAA:8 a=C_IRinGWAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=0FgJD7Y3AAAA:8 a=mvRJfanyAAAA:8 a=RuyKgJuBAAAA:8 a=1WeT3s--sm3oUs3LdJcA:9 a=xSSjcDiOUkFXfHF4aq8A:7 a=AlHU01b9vUUUh2vHgzd5I_eABEEA:4 a=7OmpBygbiDMA:10 a=O-qf2lk5JREA:10 a=hkODgbchuuYA:10 a=yS-sbSjE6JUA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=3eoJJSWtpq8A:10 a=si9q_4b84H0A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=rC2wZJ5BpNYA:10 a=fMlEGAvtNIebajKp:21 a=Od9GVzAJwd54nOYU:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Catherine Deville" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Acm8bIiJuCvnahS9Ty+z6MSi6LK3VwAHiHRw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <239258602.1497081239650187734.JavaMail.root@sz0096a.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net> Message-Id: <20090413230604.ERBK15318.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Amazon and Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:08:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:06:01 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:08:17 -0000 OK, I'm sorry... I see what you're saying about the power of protest being an important thing... but I don't get the idea that vegans did so to get the *percentage* of eggs in Boca reduced. If a product has *any* eggs in it, that product is not a vegan product (and I'm not talking "legal" definitions here, which might allow such, I'm talking from the viewpoint of an actual *vegan*... just as a product can't be kinda kosher)... it might qualify as vegetarian, but not vegan. Vegans don't eat eggs. Ovo and Ovo-Lacto vegetarians eat eggs. I'd think that you'd be pushing Boca to remove the eggs entirely so that you could eat the Boca burgers, so that they would, indeed, qualify as vegan. But back to Amazon.com... Amazon's real flaw here is also one of their strengths... They are largely community driven... their system allows a lot of things to be controlled by the community. I think that what they're learning is that things like "classification" of books can't be left to the community, not in the way that they've been doing it, if it's subject to this kind of abuse. And I have no doubt that community feedback will heavily impact the way that they resolve this situation - and it *is* a situation that they've got a good deal of investment in resolving, as their response at this point indicates. So I'd recommend that positive, diplomatic communications pointing out that it's better business for Amazon to be neutrally balanced when it comes to such things and that leaving it open to community classification doesn't do that would be more effective, at least at this point, in resolving the situation, than pushing the idea of boycotts at this point would be. Never Thirst, Cat -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of sablehairangel@comcast.net Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:16 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? My example was pertaining to one petition list that was set up towards Boca. If you're arguing over the fact if eggs are worth fighting the reduction for, I am vegan and therefore keeping Boca, a leading producer of vegan burgers, vegan is important to me. I was simply stating that something similar could be done towards Amazon.com Thank you Brigitte for your input as well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigitte Fires" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? People who are trying to avoid animal products, reduce cholesterol*, and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would feel it's a VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and I feel it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the worth of someone else's opinions. * Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly actually helps reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary cholesterol, they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other foods to create a protein source), and it's been proven that dietary cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. Also, they have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they have in them. Brigitte On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith wrote: > > Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who cares about chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared correctly then it is a danger. They should be cooked correctly to prevent salmonella. > > BWS > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net wrote: > >> From: sablehairangel@comcast.net >> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM >> I am deeply appalled by this. Is >> there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction >> action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to >> amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done >> with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in >> their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs >> significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT >> for random things. >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Desmond Ravenstone" >> >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >> >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00 >> US/Canada Eastern >> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >> >> >> Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for >> Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping >> sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or >> about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen >> DeGeneres. >> >> Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site. >> >> >> The "reason": Amazon.com considers such content as >> "adult" and therefore no longer worthy of a sales >> ranking. >> >> Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: >> "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Amazing Sex" >> "Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz" >> "Traci Lords: Underneath It All" "Playboy: The >> Complete Centerfolds" >> "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality" and a >> number of other "ex-gay" books >> >> There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including >> many people pledging to boycott the site altogether. >> >> You can find out more at this blog: >> http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books >> >> >> Desmond Ravenstone >> >> "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto >> you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard >> Shaw >> >> http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >> about yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >> about yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From catdeville@cox.net Mon Apr 13 19:54:55 2009 Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3DNriOL010846 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:54:55 -0400 Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090413235243.YNAU10385.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:43 -0400 Received: from infinity ([68.7.251.250]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id fBsh1b0065QuEGc04BshDw; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:52:42 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XfMcVYojOJsA:10 a=fIvVFEW3NvEA:10 a=IVgIdVCEAAAA:8 a=vggBfdFIAAAA:8 a=Rn6oTw1hAAAA:8 a=kg3PIHEjuEijzf3w4x8A:9 a=W_ef4MOjYq9WFsdtniEA:7 a=_trbxELCnwrDh57ORXNaGSkX4WoA:4 a=3SmO1NJXDBsA:10 a=hkODgbchuuYA:10 a=4vB-4DCPJfMA:10 a=3eoJJSWtpq8A:10 a=XawBeJv4dxUA:10 a=wF4epLJ_TUiUbXUi:21 a=guPBwkbWAj2Hx6fg:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Catherine Deville" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: Acm8WnYG317s8m7GQsyxoDB9xyIm1AACKO/gAArK5DA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO> Message-Id: <20090413235243.YNAU10385.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just aBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:54:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 16:52:39 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:54:55 -0000 Hmmm... I don't know about that. I don't know what you got on your search, or if what I got just now has changed *because* of this debacle, but here's what I got when I did a search on just the word "Homosexuality": 1.A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality by Joseph Nicolosi and Linda Ames Nicolosi (Paperback - Oct 2002) 2.Homosexuality Homosexuality * Fiction * Nonfiction 3. You Don't Have to Be Gay: Hope and Freedom for Males Struggling With Homosexuality or for Those Who Know of Someone Who Is by Jeff Konrad (Paperback - Nov 1, 1987) 4. For The Bible Tells Me So ~ Gene Robinson, Archbishop Desmond Tutu, and Imogene Robinson (DVD - Feb 19, 2008) 5. Can Homosexuality Be Healed? by Francis MacNutt (Paperback - Jul 1, 2006) 6. King & King & Family by Linda De Haan, Stern Mijland, and Stern Nijland (Hardcover - Mar 2004) 7. Jesus, the Bible, and Homosexuality, Revised and Expanded Edition: Explode the Myths, Heal the Church by Jack Rogers 8. The Different Dragon by Jennifer Bryan, Bobbie Combs, and Danamarie Hosler (Paperback - Sep 15, 2006) 9. Uncle Bobby's Wedding by Sarah S. Brannen (Hardcover - Mar 27, 2008) 10. And Tango Makes Three by Peter Parnell and Justin Richardson (Hardcover - April 26, 2005) 11. Hero by Perry Moore (Paperback - May 5, 2009) 12. Heather Has Two Mommies: 10th Anniversary Edition (Alyson Wonderland) by Leslea Newman and Diana Souza 13. Metropolitan Lovers: The Homosexuality of Cities by Julie Abraham (Hardcover - Jan 30, 2009) 14. The Arthur Dong Collection - Stories from the War on Homosexuality (Coming Out Under Fire / Licensed to Kill / Family 15. What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality by Daniel A. Helminiak (Paperback - April 2000) 16. 101 Frequently Asked Questions About Homosexuality by Mike Haley (Kindle Edition - Jun 1, 2004) - Kindle Book Now, on the first page of that search, there seems to be a pretty even balance of "pro-gay" and "anti-gay" stuff. Yes, the first few items on the list *seem* to be "anti-gay"... although it's good to note that the 2nd item on the list is a category redirect to books on homosexuality, both fiction and non-fiction, which feeds the individual through to the Teens>Social Issues>Homosexuality category. This may be new. But the rest of the list, past item 5, is largely "pro-gay", including several children's books aimed at children in gay families, one JA book (#11) and books like #7 which are generally categorized as "pro-gay Christianity/spirituality" books or #15 which appears to be anti-anti-gay Christian apologetics. So, it's possible that this resulted from the attack, but that list doesn't look to be intentionally discriminatory to me. Looking past the first page also looked pretty balanced to me (gee... item #34 on my list is actually a "subliminal CD" to end homophobia and overcome fear of homosexuality"... something I've never seen before and didn't know was out there. So it doesn't look like anti-gay discrimination to me. But that's just my opinion. The problem does seem to be the fact that GLBT books are generally considered "adult" unless they specifically are not (specifically Non-fiction, children's books and JA books), and that adult books are automatically excluded from a search. I'm of the opinion that I should have the choice of turning that off. Of course, if you really want to fight "fire with fire", you can try the same "bantown" tactics and tag some of the anti-gay stuff with your own tags... the 19 tags that show up under item #16 above (a pro-Christian/"anti-gay" book) are: gay porn (36) homophobic (11) delusional (9) hate (9) bigotry (8) stupid (5) sick (4) gay ministry (2) homosexuality (2) truth (2) biblical sex (1) fail (1) gay interest (1) inhuman (1) not the truth (1) offensive (1) sexuality (1) sexuality apologetics (1) traditional marriage (1) So, looks like some folks are applying similar tactics when tagging the "anti-gay" books, just as much as they might be the "pro-gay" books. NT, Cat -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rios Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 11:12 AM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just aBantown troll? I don't know how Amazon cannot be involved to some degree. If you do a search on "homosexuality", the vast majority of the titles that show up first are ones on how to "cure" homosexuality, or why God hates you for it... Michael Rios > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > Behalf Of Alan alan7388 > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 1:08 PM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com > -- or just aBantown troll? > > This may not be Amazon's doing at all. It could just be a > bantown meta-troll at work, which Amazon will have to > scramble to undo. More > information: > http://tehdely.livejournal.com/88823.html From keithleeds@gmail.com Mon Apr 13 23:51:16 2009 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.148]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3E3pGic023238 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:51:16 -0400 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1484020qwf.8 for ; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:50:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: keithleeds@gmail.com Received: by 10.229.80.21 with SMTP id r21mr1842722qck.80.1239681057738; Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:50:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090413235243.YNAU10385.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> References: <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO> <20090413235243.YNAU10385.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 01d2aa62d6e189f3 Message-ID: <810828690904132050t24bfc387ldac9ce129475bb3e@mail.gmail.com> From: Keith Brown To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or just aBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:51:16 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 20:50:57 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:51:16 -0000 This from Amazon... This is an embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error for a company that prides itself on offering complete selection. It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian themed titles - in fact, it impacted 57,310 books in a number of broad categories such as Health, Mind & Body, Reproductive & Sexual Medicine, and Erotica. This problem impacted books not just in the United States but globally. It affected not just sales rank but also had the effect of removing the books from Amazon's main product search. Many books have now been fixed and we're in the process of fixing the remainder as quickly as possible, and we intend to implement new measures to make this kind of accident less likely to occur in the future. Amazon.com IR From greystone.house@pacbell.net Tue Apr 14 00:03:49 2009 Received: from n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com (n5a.bullet.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.126.232]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3E42dO5024244 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 00:03:49 -0400 Received: from [68.142.200.224] by n5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 04:02:38 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.241] by t5.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 04:02:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 14 Apr 2009 04:02:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 667317.15642.bm@omp402.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 99936 invoked from network); 14 Apr 2009 04:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO EMILYADMINPC) (greystone.house@75.41.56.21 with login) by smtp102.sbc.mail.sp1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Apr 2009 04:02:37 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YjUGi_wVM1lgYHSVbtX8wDVRov01.HY_QNGeepNnsYtu8Vf7GLAN6YjngX6h1E4JewOvppYciVVzLTMb0OszG_SOhCqHH6gbVKA5liz_OCeliZqdSORrpsCXOzv.Y8sHkPBS060YAYRBBznqBstOqXOKCly_t3_JRC9qVqAWK7cI231sGbW.C9SHytRkbIbDXw.d96ZML1gqSmrpz.RYrZApoBq.jPLtx5F_mjA1_pvWVQZDMM3w88Fn6I9hLAuGeQZe_Z3dsDUclfm0ifdAqPN.fUc46CFneEZn1tfZ7Epw X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <38E261DB47A74A2FAC305FDCF6AE9EBA@EMILYADMINPC> From: "Emily M.-R. B." To: References: <1626F0D23A734D428E37708C7A087F2D@MVRLENOVO><20090413235243.YNAU10385.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> <810828690904132050t24bfc387ldac9ce129475bb3e@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <810828690904132050t24bfc387ldac9ce129475bb3e@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Greystone House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or justaBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:03:49 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 21:02:36 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 04:03:49 -0000 Hmmm.... "accident"? That's an interesting way of sidestepping the question of causation. Accident in the sense of insufficient protection from external manipulation? Or accident in the sense of insufficient investment in software quality assurance? Or something else? On the one hand, I suppose it doesn't matter. They're "fixing" the problem, or so they claim. On the other hand, I think it might be important for the truth to out in this instance.... If it was triggered deliberately from outside, it's important that people know it. IMHO, of course. :) Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Brown" To: Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:50 PM Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or justaBantown troll? > This from Amazon... > > This is an embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error for a company that > prides itself on offering complete selection. > > It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian > themed titles - in fact, it impacted 57,310 books in a number of broad > categories such as Health, Mind & Body, Reproductive & Sexual Medicine, > and > Erotica. This problem impacted books not just in the United States but > globally. It affected not just sales rank but also had the effect of > removing the books from Amazon's main product search. > > Many books have now been fixed and we're in the process of fixing the > remainder as quickly as possible, and we intend to implement new measures > to > make this kind of accident less likely to occur in the future. > > Amazon.com IR > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From fauxqui@comcast.net Tue Apr 14 12:32:28 2009 Received: from QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.80]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3EGVHAm004224 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:32:28 -0400 Message-Id: <200904141632.n3EGVHAm004224@msb.ernest-doss.org> Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA08.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fN3t1b0041HzFnQ58UWk4Q; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:30:44 +0000 Received: from LENOVO5B1FECA2 ([68.238.236.152]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id fUWz1b00D3Hy4Y43aUX1tP; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:31:06 +0000 From: "Charlie Miller" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: Acm8SwNCP+3edBxISCC1spHPTBj3NwABhrfAADNNkiA= In-Reply-To: <8C02718B9BFC4900A98C03D9B9260AEE@MVRLENOVO> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:32:28 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:30:58 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:32:28 -0000 Here's Amazon's reply: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123964842562214381.html [Charlie Miller] From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 12:52:59 2009 Received: from web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.121]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3EGpk93006319 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:52:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 26506 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2009 16:51:46 -0000 Message-ID: <72671.25784.qm@web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: UGe5YvwVM1nITcJ_kxWKMjqoR4d1HzPCLoHrZJH1AU_pbxtyYiANKXrVnAmJrcoEaUZS7TwXJSpyFl4RyVZGCfwIFeIInHiZZDgYnk3Tbsc.eZMvK9v8a0NE6vfoQsjJXRCZ0hLRIjutr8vuYJFSn12ulo6qHUpOWklBVD79pSAi6xLewmOdbgbHCVk.RWIcTl2Ng5P4hVQRjB_xwAOUDvE405DB67cOhGlLqCxvl4Hh0Nv1PzUfqLdB7TlScm.tuhRJFSWsXmnIhfwBdOA1rrDUyXpD1saGIBjoWUV.5MLQMVRM0UDG7M8ufl_bu.eJYfXQsaleJXR8iqwcrUcx Received: from [74.193.193.81] by web110516.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:51:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3EGpk93006319 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:52:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:51:45 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:52:59 -0000 OK! I did not know. I knew about the cholesterol stuff. But not avoiding animal products thing. Interesting. BWS --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Brigitte Fires wrote: > From: Brigitte Fires > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 2:14 PM > People who are trying to avoid animal > products, reduce cholesterol*, > and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would > feel it's a > VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and > I feel > it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the > worth of > someone else's opinions. > > * Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly > actually helps > reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary > cholesterol, > they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other > foods to > create a protein source), and it's been proven that > dietary > cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. > Also, they > have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they > have in them. > > Brigitte > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith > wrote: > > > > Do you mean chicken eggs?  Is that a real, important > thing?  Who cares about chicken eggs?  Unless they are are > not prepared correctly then it is a danger.  They should be > cooked correctly to prevent salmonella. > > > > BWS > > > > --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net > > wrote: > > > >> From: sablehairangel@comcast.net > > >> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on > Amazon.com > >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > >> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM > >> I am deeply appalled by this. Is > >> there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass > direction > >> action, such as a webpage to set up a small email > to > >> amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar > was done > >> with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's > eggs in > >> their products and we actually got them to > decrease the eggs > >> significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use > Amazon.com A LOT > >> for random things. > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Desmond Ravenstone" > >> > >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > >> > >> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT > -05:00 > >> US/Canada Eastern > >> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on > Amazon.com > >> > >> > >> Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT > caucus for > >> Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been > stripping > >> sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including > books by or > >> about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and > Ellen > >> DeGeneres. > >> > >> Result: They become harder to find on searches on > the site. > >> > >> > >> The “reason”: Amazon.com considers such > content as > >> “adult” and therefore no longer worthy of a > sales > >> ranking. > >> > >> Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: > >> “The Complete Idiot’s Guide to Amazing Sex” > >> “Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in > Showbiz” > >> “Traci Lords: Underneath It All” “Playboy: > The > >> Complete Centerfolds” > >> “A Parent’s Guide to Preventing > Homosexuality” and a > >> number of other “ex-gay” books > >> > >> There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, > including > >> many people pledging to boycott the site > altogether. > >> > >> You can find out more at this blog: > >> http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books > >> > >> > >> Desmond Ravenstone > >> > >> "Do not do unto others as you expect they should > do unto > >> you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George > Bernard > >> Shaw > >> > >> http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal > >> about yourself. > >> UUPoly-L mailing list > >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org > >> > >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > >> _______________________________________________ > >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal > >> about yourself. > >> UUPoly-L mailing list > >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org > >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > >> > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Tue Apr 14 15:16:54 2009 Received: from web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.113]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n3EJFhk8016361 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:16:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 66282 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Apr 2009 19:15:42 -0000 Message-ID: <522507.65109.qm@web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dnNG9DMVM1mbaWTqgQ2pkGN.5THz9gS31YIDUN028YOyZG1b6eUdBMqUqYvutYOAE2JVzfZXTr0H1LiYMLSCw262R_N0Qxn6ldGrTYwUlwcsxHQB.C3_QwxYoLQFzHtwPs9TXUoaLhnpZpwrtSUSVZGUr2i8TWAt74DFF_LS5tKF9FHvAYpZw97O5RXoS6offr9BHaEQx6oZHUMxp91Td_bcjhlgn8sw39k.KrkPhm5HN7Tly1BCPn0a3qPIsMeeWWRBkIeG.j1rICsSxBLXTvH75wiD6tztHATC_rJiM.ToaTFL5_O3FRva4Lq65GUQiH2DyoKGAWXwrnJtgiqu Received: from [74.193.193.81] by web110508.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:15:42 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/5.2.15 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.1 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n3EJFhk8016361 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or justaBantown troll? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:16:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 12:15:42 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:16:54 -0000 I had the same thought. This could be some form of cyber attack. I would be courious if it was just amazon or others as well. BWS --- On Mon, 4/13/09, Emily M.-R. B. wrote: > From: Emily M.-R. B. > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com -- or justaBantown troll? > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Monday, April 13, 2009, 11:02 PM > Hmmm.... "accident"? > > That's an interesting way of sidestepping the question of > causation. > Accident in the sense of insufficient protection from > external manipulation? > Or accident in the sense of insufficient investment in > software quality > assurance? Or something else? > > On the one hand, I suppose it doesn't matter. They're > "fixing" the problem, > or so they claim. On the other hand, I think it might > be important for the > truth to out in this instance.... If it was triggered > deliberately from > outside, it's important that people know it. > > IMHO, of course. :) > > Emily > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Brown" > To: > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 8:50 PM > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on > Amazon.com -- or > justaBantown troll? > > > > This from Amazon... > > > > This is an embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging > error for a company that > > prides itself on offering complete selection. > > > >It has been misreported that the > issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian > > themed titles - in fact, it impacted 57,310 books in a > number of broad > > categories such as Health, Mind & Body, > Reproductive & Sexual Medicine, > > and > > Erotica. This problem impacted books not just in > the United States but > > globally. It affected not just sales rank but > also had the effect of > > removing the books from Amazon's main product search. > > > >Many books have now been fixed and > we're in the process of fixing the > > remainder as quickly as possible, and we intend to > implement new measures > > to > > make this kind of accident less likely to occur in the > future. > > > > Amazon.com IR > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From licorice.gumdrop@gmail.com Tue Apr 14 17:28:49 2009 Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3ELSnGr024262 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:28:49 -0400 Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so2637949wfg.8 for ; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr3688927wfh.59.1239744519182; Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.93.251.135? ([32.167.207.124]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 24sm21187706wfc.17.2009.04.14.14.28.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 14 Apr 2009 14:28:38 -0700 (PDT) References: <20090413230604.ERBK15318.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Message-Id: <11E16280-CF0A-4188-8EFB-4D28315BA693@gmail.com> From: licorice gumdrop To: "uupoly-l@uupa.org" In-Reply-To: <20090413230604.ERBK15318.fed1rmmtao105.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (5H11) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 5H11) Cc: "" Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Amazon and Eggs!?!?!? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:28:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:28:23 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:28:50 -0000 from the various posts I've seen on the #amazonfail debacle, their trust in crowdsourcing seems only to be part of the problem. there are reports from authors & publishers (dating back several months) that amazon.com itself categorized certain books as "adult," leaving them out of the sales ranking and impeding their identification through keyword searches. at the end of the day, the lack of unified messaging on what happened and how it is fixed leaves some egg on amazon.com's face... which may present vegans with some problems. - AJ ### sent from a mobile device - please forgive any thumb-related spelling errors. On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:06 PM, "Catherine Deville" wrote: > OK, I'm sorry... I see what you're saying about the power of protest > being an important thing... but I don't get the idea that > vegans did so to get the *percentage* of eggs in Boca reduced. If a > product has *any* eggs in it, that product is not a vegan > product (and I'm not talking "legal" definitions here, which might > allow such, I'm talking from the viewpoint of an actual > *vegan*... just as a product can't be kinda kosher)... it might > qualify as vegetarian, but not vegan. Vegans don't eat eggs. Ovo > and Ovo-Lacto vegetarians eat eggs. > > I'd think that you'd be pushing Boca to remove the eggs entirely so > that you could eat the Boca burgers, so that they would, indeed, > qualify as vegan. > > But back to Amazon.com... Amazon's real flaw here is also one of > their strengths... They are largely community driven... their > system allows a lot of things to be controlled by the community. I > think that what they're learning is that things like > "classification" of books can't be left to the community, not in the > way that they've been doing it, if it's subject to this kind of > abuse. And I have no doubt that community feedback will heavily > impact the way that they resolve this situation - and it *is* a > situation that they've got a good deal of investment in resolving, > as their response at this point indicates. So I'd recommend that > positive, diplomatic communications pointing out that it's better > business for Amazon to be neutrally balanced when it comes to such > things and that leaving it open to community classification doesn't > do that would be more effective, at least at this point, in > resolving the situation, than pushing the idea of boycotts at this > point would be. > > Never Thirst, > Cat > > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces > +catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of > sablehairangel@comcast.net > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:16 PM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? > > My example was pertaining to one petition list that was set up > towards Boca. If you're arguing over the fact if eggs are worth > fighting the reduction for, I am vegan and therefore keeping Boca, a > leading producer of vegan burgers, vegan is important to me. I > was simply stating that something similar could be done towards > Amazon.com > > Thank you Brigitte for your input as well. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brigitte Fires" > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!? > > People who are trying to avoid animal products, reduce cholesterol*, > and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would feel it's a > VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and I feel > it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the worth of > someone else's opinions. > > * Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly actually helps > reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary cholesterol, > they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other foods to > create a protein source), and it's been proven that dietary > cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. Also, they > have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they have in them. > > Brigitte > > On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith > wrote: >> >> Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who >> cares about chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared > correctly then it is a danger. They should be cooked correctly to > prevent salmonella. >> >> BWS >> >> --- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net > > wrote: >> >>> From: sablehairangel@comcast.net >>> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >>> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >>> Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM >>> I am deeply appalled by this. Is >>> there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction >>> action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to >>> amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done >>> with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in >>> their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs >>> significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT >>> for random things. >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Desmond Ravenstone" >>> >>> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >>> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00 >>> US/Canada Eastern >>> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com >>> >>> >>> Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for >>> Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping >>> sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or >>> about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen >>> DeGeneres. >>> >>> Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site. >>> >>> >>> The "reason": Amazon.com considers such content as >>> "adult" and therefore no longer worthy of a sales >>> ranking. >>> >>> Meanwhile, books not considered adult include: >>> "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Amazing Sex" >>> "Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz" >>> "Traci Lords: Underneath It All" "Playboy: The >>> Complete Centerfolds" >>> "A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality" and a >>> number of other "ex-gay" books >>> >>> There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including >>> many people pledging to boycott the site altogether. >>> >>> You can find out more at this blog: >>> http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books >>> >>> >>> Desmond Ravenstone >>> >>> "Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto >>> you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard >>> Shaw >>> >>> http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >>> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >>> about yourself. >>> UUPoly-L mailing list >>> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >>> >>> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >>> _______________________________________________ >>> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >>> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >>> about yourself. >>> UUPoly-L mailing list >>> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >>> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >>> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about >> yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >> > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about > yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about > yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about > yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From farazester@gmail.com Sat Apr 18 22:56:41 2009 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n3J2uf7p012717 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 22:56:41 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so1686947rvb.2 for ; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:55:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.115.92.2 with SMTP id u2mr2421523wal.228.1240109741128; Sat, 18 Apr 2009 19:55:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: faraze waqar To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Polyamory Documentary X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:56:42 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 10:55:41 +0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2009 02:56:42 -0000 pls send me some details about ur polyamory research. i was a poly amorist since the age of 11 and that is a long time ago. On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 4:32 AM, Robert Campoy wrote: > Hi, > I'm doing research for Polyamory documentary and would appreciate anyone > willing to give me any information. So far, I have found plenty of people > willing to talk about straight relationships and so now I'm really focusing > my search towards the gay community. Thanks very much for your help! > > Robert > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >