From alanmacrobert@gmail.com Sun Aug 2 11:22:55 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f217.google.com (mail-ew0-f217.google.com [209.85.219.217]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n72FMgNJ032632 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:22:42 -0400 Received: by ewy17 with SMTP id 17so2172149ewy.26 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alanmacrobert@gmail.com Received: by 10.211.178.12 with SMTP id f12mr6060302ebp.31.1249226560104; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 08:22:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Sender-Auth: 3f761d657ff06388 Message-ID: From: alan7388 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:22:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 11:22:39 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:22:55 -0000 Jasmine, you practically brought tears to my eyes with your rational, sane, heartfelt explanations of your poly Christian journey in the Newsweek comments. You are part of the reason why we are winning the "comment wars" where mainstream-media articles appear -- in terms of what kind of people we look like to ordinary folks. We all owe you. Alan M. P.S.: Tip to commenters: Late comments, after interest in a story dies down, are especially important, because these will stay in view at or near the top for a long time. From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Aug 2 12:05:31 2009 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n72G3tRj003883 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:05:01 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.134.200]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KNR0021NB9I80H0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 11:03:19 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-index: AcoThT7hp0ONetMLTkSwya5IYi2W9AABOx2A X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:05:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:03:19 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 16:05:32 -0000 Has anyone watched the video series that is being produced by Terisa and her partners? I've watched about half the episodes, and frankly, I'm appalled. If *this* is what people think polyamory is about, it could set us back 20 years! What is depicted in the videos is more like a dysfunctional crash pad from the 60's than any poly family *I* know. *Especially* for one that claims to have been together nearly a decade. Anyone else have a concern about this? Michael Rios > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > Behalf Of alan7388 > Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:23 AM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to > Newsweek comments > > Jasmine, you practically brought tears to my eyes with your > rational, sane, heartfelt explanations of your poly Christian > journey in the Newsweek comments. You are part of the reason > why we are winning the "comment wars" where mainstream-media > articles appear -- in terms of what kind of people we look > like to ordinary folks. We all owe you. > > Alan M. > > P.S.: Tip to commenters: Late comments, after interest in a > story dies down, are especially important, because these will > stay in view at or near the top for a long time. > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From popefelix@gmail.com Sun Aug 2 13:13:24 2009 Received: from mail-fx0-f219.google.com (mail-fx0-f219.google.com [209.85.220.219]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n72HCpTK008834 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:12:51 -0400 Received: by fxm19 with SMTP id 19so2225508fxm.26 for ; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:12:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.116.205 with SMTP id n13mr2113978faq.103.1249233166767; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:12:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: From: Kit Peters To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n72HCpTK008834 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:13:24 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:12:46 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:13:24 -0000 What video series is this? If you're talking about "Family" (a series that I admit to being very behind on), remember that it's a sitcom. The situations are supposed to be absurd. KP On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 11:03, Michael Rios wrote: > Has anyone watched the video series that is being produced by Terisa and her > partners?  I've watched about half the episodes, and frankly, I'm appalled. > > If *this* is what people think polyamory is about, it could set us back 20 > years!  What is depicted in the videos is more like a dysfunctional crash > pad from the 60's than any poly family *I* know.   *Especially* for one that > claims to have been together nearly a decade. > > Anyone else have a concern about this? > > Michael Rios > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org >> [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On >> Behalf Of alan7388 >> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 11:23 AM >> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org >> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to >> Newsweek comments >> >> Jasmine, you practically brought tears to my eyes with your >> rational, sane, heartfelt explanations of your poly Christian >> journey in the Newsweek comments. You are part of the reason >> why we are winning the "comment wars" where mainstream-media >> articles appear -- in terms of what kind of people we look >> like to ordinary folks. We all owe you. >> >> Alan M. >> >> P.S.: Tip to commenters: Late comments, after interest in a >> story dies down, are especially important, because these will >> stay in view at or near the top for a long time. >> _______________________________________________ >> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. >> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal >> about yourself. >> UUPoly-L mailing list >> UUPoly-L@uupa.org >> http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Aug 2 13:34:15 2009 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n72HWeXj010604 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 13:33:47 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.134.200]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KNR00G00FDNTF90@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:32:11 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: Thread-index: AcoTlNhjwxiy0mcsSzuktalb8Hyx6AAATDIQ X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:34:15 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 13:32:11 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 17:34:15 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Kit Peters > > What video series is this? If you're talking about "Family" > (a series that I admit to being very behind on), remember > that it's a sitcom. > The situations are supposed to be absurd. > perhaps, but it doesn't seem very funny to me-- just painful and awkward. I wouldn't mind if the situations were absurd, but the poly people in it were at least functional. As it is, the woman winds up sexually involved with a man without his wife's knowledge, her partners change their sleeping plans at the last minute by fiat, the one partner is totally unsupportive when she tries to explore her feelings about having kids, their communication on any number of topics is abysmal, etc. *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my house, much less be in a relationship with. If people think that the relationship styles in this series have anything to do with being poly, we're going to have a much bigger backlash than we've seen so far. Michael Rios From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Sun Aug 2 15:20:01 2009 Received: from web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.120]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n72JImjW016935 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:19:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 86581 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Aug 2009 19:18:47 -0000 Message-ID: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Zsb44AsVM1kmZPRqXD1A0fQYAhQkLAYBzjMrzftQRc6LBVll3.BtmNbcGSAaFNkKya6rdX9VtcbkD.RxJgngbk0J.8trxWliXcP90nuzu7i7s2JzpmHrP1f.dUf4x4QpjLDmlxm5pxqaoeDN41ac4B1buehPl_vMZz9tszpUxL9TGvD5jI94xvBsXzf92jHpNl0ZoZc.8etTwdF6oDznr9HKA.wJyZS4trS1ndttuEDEr5pWUa2JDlTy9b1T6_p7ZB6AZvUHmVHOp_Ocn0xcOHgLbg4APbdXV8s51u3GvxqtcK_stvhobSmN1lk9klaSkVSW3kbS0c2aRZxZMPDGmbigrwW5rQZz_YdADQ-- Received: from [24.229.110.118] by web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 12:18:47 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.289.15 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n72JImjW016935 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:20:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 12:18:47 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:20:02 -0000 > From: Michael Rios > *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my > house, much less be in a relationship with.  If people think that the > relationship styles in this series have anything to do with being poly, > we're going to have a much bigger backlash than we've seen so far. > > Michael Rios The people on Scienfield we not either. But they were entertaining on TV. BWS From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Aug 2 15:26:58 2009 Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n72JPSmZ017965 for ; Sun, 2 Aug 2009 15:26:34 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.134.200]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KNR00LWIKLHSJB4@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 02 Aug 2009 14:24:53 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Thread-index: AcoTplvaYvfaHK60TEKrUcnNQ1aaZgAAE6qA X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n72JPSmZ017965 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:26:58 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 15:24:53 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2009 19:26:58 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyd Smith > > > > From: Michael Rios > > *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my > house, much > > less be in a relationship with.  If people think that the > relationship > > styles in this series have anything to do with being poly, > > we're going to have a much bigger backlash than we've seen so far. > > > > Michael Rios > > The people on Scienfield we not either. But they were > entertaining on TV. If there were 50 shows on TV with polyamorous people in them, and one of them made the polyfolk into buffoons, it wouldn't bother me. But this is one of the very few (maybe the only?) poly-themed video series that has any signficant viewership. Michael Rios From airsafe1@comcast.net Mon Aug 3 00:43:38 2009 Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n734gE3R018840 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:43:20 -0400 Received: from OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.27]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pgbo1c0020b6N64A3gi6oj; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:42:06 +0000 Received: from DaveVostro1400 ([76.29.163.51]) by OMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pgi51c00316qme48Pgi5JS; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:42:05 +0000 From: "David Hall" To: References: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <12122347.188.1249241634698.JavaMail.root@n01> Message-ID: <8EA3FC098C4F49F9A49281E22FBE6AFF@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoTplvaYvfaHK60TEKrUcnNQ1aaZgAAE6qAABKY/VA= X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <12122347.188.1249241634698.JavaMail.root@n01> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n734gE3R018840 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Us tube, ie Family X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:43:39 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:41:57 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:43:39 -0000 What I see when I watch "Family" are people making the same mistakes that other poly folk make, working thru them (some still to be fixed) and stumbling along learning. Yes, Jenna needs to learn about guys who lie, more negotiation needs to happen, few people's lives are quite so complicated as the show makes this family. The poly support group was not far off from some I have been to, the show about Ben's parents showing up seemed very real and was handled very well. I am glad to know that many people are watching, laughing, and wondering "why not me?" More experienced poly folk can pick it apart, partly because we made some of the same mistakes in our past. We can see problems coming, so we keep watching to see how they handle them. I'm not crazy about the show within the show stuff, makes it look too set up. It was going fine (IMNSHO) until the cameras started to intrude. Not like "When Two Won't Do" where the camera was an intergal part of the story, I feel like Teresa needed to be in her show. It is THEATER, after all. More success to them all, the Seattle theater scene is a great one. Come to Seattle Polycamp the last weekend in August, I'll be there doing a workshop with the Erosong family. I know at least one of the show's cast will be there. Let's hope Reid gets his show on the tube, and more to follow. Dave Hall -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rios Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:25 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts toNewsweek comments > -----Original Message----- > From: Boyd Smith > > > > From: Michael Rios > > *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my > house, much > > less be in a relationship with.  If people think that the > relationship > > styles in this series have anything to do with being poly, we're > > going to have a much bigger backlash than we've seen so far. > > > > Michael Rios > > The people on Scienfield we not either. But they were entertaining on > TV. If there were 50 shows on TV with polyamorous people in them, and one of them made the polyfolk into buffoons, it wouldn't bother me. But this is one of the very few (maybe the only?) poly-themed video series that has any signficant viewership. Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From airsafe1@comcast.net Mon Aug 3 00:45:17 2009 Received: from QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.27.211]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n734hJ2E018886 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 00:44:28 -0400 Received: from OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.36]) by QMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Pgg21c0030mlR8UABgjDtt; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:43:13 +0000 Received: from DaveVostro1400 ([76.29.163.51]) by OMTA11.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id PgjC1c00316qme48XgjCwQ; Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:43:12 +0000 From: "David Hall" To: References: <21868771.536.1249226909197.JavaMail.root@n01> Message-ID: <23CFB4A39BFF417A9159336CDF43080C@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcoTheLKGgrK+8UYQkyyMb1SgEObYwAbulDA X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <21868771.536.1249226909197.JavaMail.root@n01> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:45:18 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2009 21:43:04 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 04:45:18 -0000 I looked for the comments, there was a box to make one, but no prior comments. Dave Hall -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of alan7388 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 8:23 AM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments Jasmine, you practically brought tears to my eyes with your rational, sane, heartfelt explanations of your poly Christian journey in the Newsweek comments. You are part of the reason why we are winning the "comment wars" where mainstream-media articles appear -- in terms of what kind of people we look like to ordinary folks. We all owe you. Alan M. P.S.: Tip to commenters: Late comments, after interest in a story dies down, are especially important, because these will stay in view at or near the top for a long time. _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From lance@bearcircle.net Mon Aug 3 16:21:36 2009 Received: from circle.homeip.net (rrcs-24-172-255-98.midsouth.biz.rr.com [24.172.255.98]) (authenticated bits=0) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n73KKjuY016810 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:20:47 -0400 Received: from xavier.isds.duke.edu (xavier.isds.duke.edu [152.3.22.33]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by circle.homeip.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ED3B886AA for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2009 16:20:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <4A77469C.2090909@bearcircle.net> From: "Lance A. Brown" Organization: Bear Circle User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.17 (X11/20081001) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <21868771.536.1249226909197.JavaMail.root@n01> <23CFB4A39BFF417A9159336CDF43080C@DaveVostro1400> In-Reply-To: <23CFB4A39BFF417A9159336CDF43080C@DaveVostro1400> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.96.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts to Newsweek comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:21:37 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 16:20:44 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 20:21:37 -0000 Dave, Click on the large number (677 when I just checked it) next to the comment bubble to see all the comments. It's just to the left of the words "Add Yours" which links to the leave a comment form. --[Lance] David Hall wrote: > I looked for the comments, there was a box to make one, but no prior > comments. > > Dave Hall -- GPG Fingerprint: 409B A409 A38D 92BF 15D9 6EEE 9A82 F2AC 69AC 07B9 CACert.org Assurer From JasmineGld@aol.com Sat Aug 8 20:32:23 2009 Received: from imr-da05.mx.aol.com (imr-da05.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.147]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n790VCB6016165 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:32:18 -0400 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-da05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n790VAaa003224 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:31:10 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id g.d4c.46ab2b73 (65100) for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:31:08 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO Subject: [UUPoly-L] Michigan sermon request X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:32:23 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:31:08 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 00:32:23 -0000 I posted a sermon to the UUPA website some time in the past. The link to that sermon no longer works. Does anyone know if that sermon is still available at a different webpage? Or can someone get the text of the sermon for UUPA's archives? If we get permission, we will post it on our own site, but only with permission. Love and Marriage - 2003 Sermon delivered to a Michigan congregation _http://www.afsc-fan.org/rcfm_sermon_ken.htm_ (http://www.afsc-fan.org/rcfm_sermon_ken.htm) Thanks, Jasmine Walston UUPA Secretary From dorothyk@charter.net Sat Aug 8 21:24:30 2009 Received: from que31.charter.net (que31.charter.net [209.225.8.23]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n791NLxA021223 for ; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:24:27 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta31.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090809011942.JOVR2647.mta31.charter.net@imp09>; Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:19:42 -0400 Received: from evo ([97.87.15.160]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id S1Kh1c00B3TCDKV051KhHV; Sat, 08 Aug 2009 21:19:42 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m7PeiSYKuSkA:10 a=a4NEJbfMAAAA:8 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=ElAdlCjbAAAA:8 a=qrtDIX-btG_HjzSUgsgA:9 a=iEQx0dx_aK7MI_4N3QQA:7 a=AUPhtAPkI2hrU85V6o0XJ-zO58wA:4 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 From: "Dorothy Krause" To: , Message-ID: <000201ca188f$c130a0e0$6501a8c0@evo> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6838 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcoYj8BJqD1WFcaxS9m4hJ+sNvjXpw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Michigan sermon request X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:24:30 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 20:21:42 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 01:24:30 -0000 The wayback machine at http://web.archive.org is a wondrous think (and will live to bite others, I'm sure!) Plug the URL into it... it's there. On 8/8/2009 7:31:08 PM, jasminegld@aol.com wrote: > I posted a sermon to the UUPA website some time in the past. The link > to > > that sermon no longer works. > Does anyone know if that sermon is still available at a different > webpage? > > Or can someone get the text of the sermon for UUPA's archives? If we > get permission, we will post it on our own site, but only with > permission. > > Love and Marriage - 2003 > Sermon delivered to a Michigan congregation > _http://www.afsc-fan.org/rcfm_sermon_ken.htm_ > (http://www.afsc-fan.org/rcfm_sermon_ken.htm) > > Thanks, > Jasmine Walston > UUPA Secretary > > From JasmineGld@aol.com Sun Aug 9 00:24:18 2009 Received: from imr-da03.mx.aol.com (imr-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.145]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n794NBMC005290 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:24:18 -0400 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da03.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n794NA5L017896 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:23:10 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v40_r1.5.) id g.bc0.5c4ac0d6 (39953) for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:23:04 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Michigan sermon request X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:24:18 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 00:23:04 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 04:24:18 -0000 In a message dated 8/8/2009 9:25:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dorothyk@charter.net writes: > wayback machine at _http://web.archive.org_ (http://web.archive.org) Thank you!!! Jasmine From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sun Aug 9 09:50:46 2009 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n79Dnc7f013238 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:50:44 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([71.173.171.241]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KO4008WR3PNJNN0@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:49:00 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] testing....sorry X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:48:55 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:50:46 -0000 Hi Folks: I just attempted to change my email address for this list, and the stuff = I got after the fact was very confusing. So....I'm testing. Please = pardon the intrusion. Namaste': Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and looking for a living situation in eastern = NY/New England area Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow = to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sun Aug 9 09:59:00 2009 Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n79DvrK5014820 for ; Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:59:00 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([71.173.171.241]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KO400I53438JW41@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 09 Aug 2009 08:57:13 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: In-reply-to: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] testing....sorry X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:59:00 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 09:57:04 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 09 Aug 2009 13:59:00 -0000 phew...ok....I did not "unsub" after all. I now return you to your = regularly scheduled programming. :-P Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and looking for a living situation in eastern = NY/New England area Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Tara Shakti-Ma=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2009 9:48 AM Subject: [UUPoly-L] testing....sorry Hi Folks: I just attempted to change my email address for this list, and the = stuff I got after the fact was very confusing. So....I'm testing. = Please pardon the intrusion. Namaste': Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and looking for a living situation in eastern = NY/New England area Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I = bow to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Wed Aug 12 14:11:18 2009 Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7CIAALT002580 for ; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:11:16 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([71.173.171.241]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KO900L6AZRN5QS2@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Wed, 12 Aug 2009 13:09:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Newsweek article on Poly and Christian Post responds X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:11:18 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 14:09:23 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 18:11:18 -0000 Poly-UUs may find this of interest. Both the Newsweek and Christian = Post articles have areas where comments can be added...for those who = feel so led. It seems possible to use pseudonyms in those comment = responses, if that is a concern. So far, based on the comment back and = forth I've seen, communication is at a level that seems a big juvenile = and not terribly helpful. It would be good if it could get some UU help = in elevating the discussion. At any rate, please share this with your local groups and with others as = seems rightly guided. http://www.newsweek.com/id/209164 http://www.christianpost.com/article/20090810/polyamory-the-perfectly-plu= ral-postmodern-condition/index.html Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and looking for a living situation in eastern = NY/New England area Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow = to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 From onehuming@gmail.com Fri Aug 14 10:14:06 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7EECTNf021075 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:12:30 -0400 Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2288187gxk.21 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.29.10 with SMTP id g10mr2581379ybj.9.1250259148802; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 07:12:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <19da00b90908140712r20e18344y126395cd73eadd48@mail.gmail.com> From: Blythe Pelham To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:14:07 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:12:28 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 14:14:07 -0000 thanks for the links, Tara... fascinating to see both views back-to-back, even though the latter article was more an op-ed on the former, rather than doing a whole article by himself... Blythe From union-consult@charter.net Fri Aug 14 12:20:01 2009 Received: from que21.charter.net (que21.charter.net [209.225.8.22]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7EGHxhs004036 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:19:06 -0400 Received: from imp09 ([10.20.200.9]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090814160849.EPWN22327.mta11.charter.net@imp09> for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:08:49 -0400 Received: from kelly ([71.80.44.214]) by imp09 with smtp.charter.net id UG8p1c00H4dFJzK05G8pRf; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:08:49 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=RkGj0Z5tHUkA:10 a=IVgIdVCEAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=k77dFedc2M7K5zb9VBQA:9 a=GEG2BfZYVP_srmCQlKwA:7 a=xaOal2GwCUKYqIWlcy6glNE168UA:4 a=Cbt47AKeNSMA:10 a=3eoJJSWtpq8A:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 Message-ID: From: "Union Consult" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:20:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 12:08:42 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:20:02 -0000 What was interesting about the "Christian" article was the balanced and objective description of much of the poly process and its historical evolution. There were no polemics until the final two paragraphs and they were totally predictable as to tone as well as content. The lesson to be learned is that the Christian right has learned the jargon of "scholarship" and as such can be persuasive of audiences that heretofore would have categorically rejected their message. These elements have learned to moderate the tone of their language and to try to portray a "we hate the sin, but love the sinner" stance, which we need to acknowledge and consier when try ing to engage in any discussion or dialogue. That said, most of the posted comments that follow the article are just folks screaming past each other and not listening. On another topic, I was somewhat surprised that no one responded to my comments on the World article about polygamy among Kenya Unitarians, especially their biblical literalism and homophobia. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:00 PM Subject: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > Send UUPoly-L mailing list submissions to > uupoly-l@uupa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > uupoly-l-request@uupa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > uupoly-l-owner@uupa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of UUPoly-L digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 (Blythe Pelham) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:12:28 -0400 > From: Blythe Pelham > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 5 > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Message-ID: > <19da00b90908140712r20e18344y126395cd73eadd48@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > thanks for the links, Tara... fascinating to see both views back-to-back, > even though the latter article was more an op-ed on the former, rather > than > doing a whole article by himself... Blythe > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > End of UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 6 > *************************************** -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.56/2302 - Release Date: 08/14/09 06:10:00 From JasmineGld@aol.com Fri Aug 14 13:35:47 2009 Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (imr-ma04.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.42]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7EHW4sI012185 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:33:10 -0400 Received: from imo-da02.mx.aol.com (imo-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.200]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7EHW0nl027950 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:32:00 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.d30.52bcdb02 (30739) for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Kenya Unitarians as a model I think not X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:35:48 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 13:31:56 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 17:35:48 -0000 In a message dated 8/14/2009 12:23:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, union-consult@charter.net writes: > On another topic, I was somewhat surprised that > no one responded to my comments on the World > article about polygamy among Kenya Unitarians, > especially their biblical literalism and homophobia. Summer travels, family crises, etc. I'm finally home, the most recent crisis is resolved, and I'm partially recovered from all of the above, so I'm hunting back thru my archives to respond. Keep scrolling down... In a message dated 7/16/2009 5:35:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, union-consult@charter.net writes: >> Timothy McKee wrote: >> >> "Let's not forget the polygamous households in >> Kenya who now call the UU faith their own faith. >> (See current issue of UU World.)" > > They also believe in a literal interpretation of the bible > and are very much anti gay and lesbian. And while > they favor men taking more than one wife, I did not read > that the converse holds. I think traditional polygomous > households are not really something UU polys would > want to model. Remember the Mormons! We don't much like the commenters on Christian Post "screaming past each other." We need to think carefully about the things we say, and make certain we're not making the same mistakes. I have no personal interest in engaging in the type of polygyny that I read described in the quote above. But then, I don't live in the Kenyan culture, and I don't know what's really going on. So I want to talk less about what "they" are doing, and more about the kind of welcome that UUs need to provide. I can imagine a lot of different situations in which a family in Kenya is introduced to Unitarian Universalism, and they find UUism to be a good fit in their lives. UUs have a responsibility to welcome that family, no matter what their family structure looks like, into a faith that respects their inherent dignity and encourages their free and responsible search for truth and meaning. That's what UUPolys in the U.S, expect. UU polygynists in Kenya expect it too. We talk a fine game about pluralism. We are quick to demand it for ourselves. Do we have the courage of our convictions? Can we extend pluralism to those who make us really really REALLY nervous? Like Kenyan polygynists? Jasmine From kb4wyr@fhrd.net Fri Aug 14 16:11:57 2009 Received: from trueband.net (director.trueband.net [216.163.120.8]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7EK8ngb028340 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2009 16:09:55 -0400 Received: (qmail 10861 invoked by uid 1006); 14 Aug 2009 20:08:49 -0000 Received: from kb4wyr@fhrd.net by rs0 by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 3.2.5. Clear:SA:0(0.1/100.0):. Processed in 0.235898 secs); 14 Aug 2009 20:08:49 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=100.0 X-Spam-Level: Received: from unknown (HELO trueband.net) (172.16.0.19) by -v with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 20:08:48 -0000 Received: (qmail 15077 invoked from network); 14 Aug 2009 20:08:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO VerdigrisMobile) (67.54.135.214) by -v with SMTP; 14 Aug 2009 20:08:46 -0000 From: "Christine Heinsohn" To: References: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <040101ca1d1b$014b8750$03e295f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcodBowKGjCeoe/rRmmFyL3Ab84CBgAFFltw Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Kenya Unitarians as a model I think not X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:11:58 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 15:08:27 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2009 20:11:58 -0000 As usually, Jasmine, well said. It was great to meet you on your trip home from GA. Christine -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+kb4wyr=fhrd.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+kb4wyr=fhrd.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of JasmineGld@aol.com Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 12:32 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Kenya Unitarians as a model I think not In a message dated 8/14/2009 12:23:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, union-consult@charter.net writes: > On another topic, I was somewhat surprised that > no one responded to my comments on the World > article about polygamy among Kenya Unitarians, > especially their biblical literalism and homophobia. Summer travels, family crises, etc. I'm finally home, the most recent crisis is resolved, and I'm partially recovered from all of the above, so I'm hunting back thru my archives to respond. Keep scrolling down... In a message dated 7/16/2009 5:35:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, union-consult@charter.net writes: >> Timothy McKee wrote: >> >> "Let's not forget the polygamous households in >> Kenya who now call the UU faith their own faith. >> (See current issue of UU World.)" > > They also believe in a literal interpretation of the bible > and are very much anti gay and lesbian. And while > they favor men taking more than one wife, I did not read > that the converse holds. I think traditional polygomous > households are not really something UU polys would > want to model. Remember the Mormons! We don't much like the commenters on Christian Post "screaming past each other." We need to think carefully about the things we say, and make certain we're not making the same mistakes. I have no personal interest in engaging in the type of polygyny that I read described in the quote above. But then, I don't live in the Kenyan culture, and I don't know what's really going on. So I want to talk less about what "they" are doing, and more about the kind of welcome that UUs need to provide. I can imagine a lot of different situations in which a family in Kenya is introduced to Unitarian Universalism, and they find UUism to be a good fit in their lives. UUs have a responsibility to welcome that family, no matter what their family structure looks like, into a faith that respects their inherent dignity and encourages their free and responsible search for truth and meaning. That's what UUPolys in the U.S, expect. UU polygynists in Kenya expect it too. We talk a fine game about pluralism. We are quick to demand it for ourselves. Do we have the courage of our convictions? Can we extend pluralism to those who make us really really REALLY nervous? Like Kenyan polygynists? Jasmine _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From JasmineGld@aol.com Sat Aug 15 10:14:25 2009 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7FEC8wv001625 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:12:08 -0400 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7FEB5nV019100 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.c5c.57c2fe44 (41810) for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:11:01 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Perspective X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:14:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 10:11:01 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 14:14:26 -0000 This article reminded me of how much I appreciate the UUA. "Lutherans prepare for big decision on gay clergy" http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hYgl8Tp3wi2MRX53ANtJeOFeob SwD9A2QRM00 If you have trouble with the link, check it for breaks caused by text wrapping. Jasmine From union-consult@charter.net Sat Aug 15 12:26:56 2009 Received: from que11.charter.net (que11.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7FGPlOW011863 for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:26:54 -0400 Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.10]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090815161952.XPVY22327.mta11.charter.net@imp10> for ; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:19:52 -0400 Received: from kelly ([71.80.44.214]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id UgKs1c0014dFJzK05gKsLB; Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:19:52 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=DTz1u6lmKNUA:10 a=RH9V5zAZNUq0EFHGPpgA:9 a=GMhUfrzYT6cqrS5WBwIA:7 a=SxiG2M2nSfrP5x-FanJb3dOAKFMA:4 Message-ID: <7DA86B98B9614CF2B54973E09E2C747B@kelly> From: "Union Consult" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 7 Jasmine's comments X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:26:56 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 12:04:16 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 16:26:56 -0000 All points well taken! > We don't much like the commenters on Christian Post "screaming past each > other." We need to think carefully about the things we say, and make > certain > we're not making the same mistakes. > > I have no personal interest in engaging in the type of polygyny that I > read > described in the quote above. But then, I don't live in the Kenyan > culture, and I don't know what's really going on. So I want to talk less > about > what "they" are doing, and more about the kind of welcome that UUs need > to > provide. > > I can imagine a lot of different situations in which a family in Kenya is > introduced to Unitarian Universalism, and they find UUism to be a good fit > in their lives. UUs have a responsibility to welcome that family, no > matter > what their family structure looks like, into a faith that respects their > inherent dignity and encourages their free and responsible search for > truth > and meaning. That's what UUPolys in the U.S, expect. UU polygynists in > Kenya > expect it too. > > We talk a fine game about pluralism. We are quick to demand it for > ourselves. Do we have the courage of our convictions? Can we extend > pluralism to > those who make us really really REALLY nervous? Like Kenyan polygynists? > > Jasmine From imapolygirl@yahoo.com Mon Aug 17 08:33:19 2009 Received: from web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.223]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7HCV7Qd017315 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 08:31:07 -0400 Received: (qmail 80896 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Aug 2009 12:31:07 -0000 Message-ID: <419073.80892.qm@web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dYum500VM1lO4mhRpkvQdMit0Xn8fKMoxBhSKwVM_epnCgnQN3YaXFYXFFalPUuf7bzI92Z3lbFjS0CDGRo.08QpHZ5bzT9QHw8K0PhgJm7LKiwF_9jL7JBhxrtwVdkvREyD6EkwMZm3Ef7eycvd3pdc6mmhMi6h8lVnQ5lzX73qvTDXYFe0Y1ICNja7lRd5THUui9bRIZOJ1WaBwjT2YFFIXLs5K1EIGOGi.C71Wu4RwysSmGdcFHdDaULk2UYIlJtvEXGVDafdz8v8ju6mqAPjfvb9mgCw8xZZslpOUJNP2EkgaRqTodzQo9BywTVKmhiJESMjFz0kxGW_KuGLJAbW76OOd2J.UA6TtoROtAHBifuTE9IkaBUUkSxkw_K9XWzXFbQ- Received: from [68.55.32.193] by web51705.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:31:06 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 References: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <12122347.188.1249241634698.JavaMail.root@n01> <8EA3FC098C4F49F9A49281E22FBE6AFF@DaveVostro1400> From: Anita Wagner To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <8EA3FC098C4F49F9A49281E22FBE6AFF@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Us tube, ie Family X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:33:22 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 05:31:06 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 12:33:22 -0000 Sorry for the late comment.=A0 I think Dave has the right of it here.=A0=A0= >From discussions=A0with Terisa it's my understanding that her intention is = not to create a program that portrays polyamory at its best, but instead on= e that shows the challenges and joys of polyamory in an entertaining and mo= stly humorous way.=A0 Hence its huge popularity within the poly community.= =A0 We get it=A0 =0A=0AI think it's important to recognize that=A0Terisa di= d not undertake this project with poly activism in mind,=A0and the ensuing = opportunities for that are a somewhat=A0unintended consequence, if you will= .=A0 Also, this is her first=A0film series of any kind and so she's not goi= ng to be perfect quite yet.=A0=A0As I understand it no one is making any mo= ney, the actors are not being paid, but instead all those involved in the p= roject are using it as a means of gaining experience and exposure in hopes = of furthering their film and acting careers.=0A=0AAnita=0A=A0=0A-----------= ----------------------------------------=0A=A0=0ABlogging on polyamory rela= tionship skills, the polyamory community/movement, polyamory activism, and,= even occasionally, on my own lovely poly life, at http://practicalpolyamor= y.blogspot.com=0A=A0Get help with jealousy, poly/mono relating and other pi= tfalls of polyamory at Practical Polyamory - =A0=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A____________= ____________________=0AFrom: David Hall =0ATo: uupoly= -l@uupa.org=0ASent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:41:57 AM=0ASubject: Re: [UUPo= ly-L] Us tube, ie Family=0A=0AWhat I see when I watch "Family" are people m= aking the same mistakes that=0Aother poly folk make, working thru them (som= e still to be fixed) and=0Astumbling along learning. Yes, Jenna needs to le= arn about guys who lie, more=0Anegotiation needs to happen, few people's li= ves are quite so complicated as=0Athe show makes this family. The poly supp= ort group was not far off from some=0AI have been to, the show about Ben's = parents showing up seemed very real and=0Awas handled very well.=0A=0AI am = glad to know that many people are watching, laughing, and wondering=0A"why = not me?" More experienced poly folk can pick it apart, partly because=0Awe = made some of the same mistakes in our past. We can see problems coming,=0As= o we keep watching to see how they handle them.=0A=0AI'm not crazy about th= e show within the show stuff, makes it look too set=0Aup. It was going fine= (IMNSHO) until the cameras started to intrude. Not=0Alike "When Two Won't = Do" where the camera was an intergal part of the story,=0AI feel like Teres= a needed to be in her show. It is THEATER, after all. More=0Asuccess to the= m all, the Seattle theater scene is a great one.=0A=0ACome to Seattle Polyc= amp the last weekend in August, I'll be there doing a=0Aworkshop with the E= rosong family. I know at least one of the show's cast=0Awill be there.=0A= =0ALet's hope Reid gets his show on the tube, and more to follow.=0A=0ADave= Hall=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=3Dc= omcast.net@uupa.org=0A[mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=3Dcomcast.net@uupa.= org] On Behalf Of Michael=0ARios=0ASent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:25 PM= =0ATo: uupoly-l@uupa.org=0ASubject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for st= ellar posts toNewsweek=0Acomments=0A=0A=0A=0A> -----Original Message-----= =0A> From:=A0 Boyd Smith=0A=0A> =0A> =0A> > From: Michael Rios =0A> > *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my= =0A> house, much=0A> > less be in a relationship with.=A0 If people think t= hat the=0A> relationship=0A> > styles in this series have anything to do wi= th being poly, we're =0A> > going to have a much bigger backlash than we've= seen so far.=0A> > =0A> > Michael Rios=0A> =0A> The people on Scienfield w= e not either.=A0 But they were entertaining on =0A> TV.=0A=0AIf there were = 50 shows on TV with polyamorous people in them, and one of=0Athem made the = polyfolk into buffoons, it wouldn't bother me.=A0 But this is=0Aone of the = very few (maybe the only?) poly-themed video series that has any=0Asignfica= nt viewership.=0A=0AMichael Rios=0A=0A=0A__________________________________= _____________=0AThe UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=0APlease kee= p that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself.=0AUUPoly-L = mailing list=0AUUPoly-L@uupa.org=0Ahttp://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uup= oly-l=0A=0A=0A_______________________________________________=0AThe UUPoly-= L mailing list has public archives.=0APlease keep that in mind when decidin= g how much to reveal about yourself.=0AUUPoly-L mailing list=0AUUPoly-L@uup= a.org=0Ahttp://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=0Ahttp://www.practica= lpolyamory.com From airsafe1@comcast.net Mon Aug 17 10:54:44 2009 Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7HEnKjt027191 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 10:50:26 -0400 Received: from OMTA24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VScb1c0081zF43QA3SpAe1; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:49:10 +0000 Received: from DaveVostro1400 ([76.29.163.51]) by OMTA24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id VSn01c00M16qme48kSn18g; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:47:01 +0000 From: "David Hall" To: References: <552177.85552.qm@web110515.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><12122347.188.1249241634698.JavaMail.root@n01><8EA3FC098C4F49F9A49281E22FBE6AFF@DaveVostro1400> <18746387.431.1250513319050.JavaMail.root@n01> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcofOQrnmDoshdaHTpytdmK4r+LlyAAD6CKg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <18746387.431.1250513319050.JavaMail.root@n01> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n7HEnKjt027191 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Us tube, ie Family X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:54:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 07:43:59 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 14:54:44 -0000 Polycamp in Washington next week will feature the "Family" DVD pre-release party on Friday night. I'm looking forward to meeting Terisa and the family. Lots of UUPA members will be there. www.polycamp.org Be there if you can. Dave -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Anita Wagner Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 5:31 AM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Us tube, ie Family Sorry for the late comment.  I think Dave has the right of it here.  >From discussions with Terisa it's my understanding that her intention is not to create a program that portrays polyamory at its best, but instead one that shows the challenges and joys of polyamory in an entertaining and mostly humorous way.  Hence its huge popularity within the poly community.  We get it  I think it's important to recognize that Terisa did not undertake this project with poly activism in mind, and the ensuing opportunities for that are a somewhat unintended consequence, if you will.  Also, this is her first film series of any kind and so she's not going to be perfect quite yet.  As I understand it no one is making any money, the actors are not being paid, but instead all those involved in the project are using it as a means of gaining experience and exposure in hopes of furthering their film and acting careers. Anita   ---------------------------------------------------   Blogging on polyamory relationship skills, the polyamory community/movement, polyamory activism, and, even occasionally, on my own lovely poly life, at http://practicalpolyamory.blogspot.com  Get help with jealousy, poly/mono relating and other pitfalls of polyamory at Practical Polyamory -   ________________________________ From: David Hall To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Sent: Monday, August 3, 2009 12:41:57 AM Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Us tube, ie Family What I see when I watch "Family" are people making the same mistakes that other poly folk make, working thru them (some still to be fixed) and stumbling along learning. Yes, Jenna needs to learn about guys who lie, more negotiation needs to happen, few people's lives are quite so complicated as the show makes this family. The poly support group was not far off from some I have been to, the show about Ben's parents showing up seemed very real and was handled very well. I am glad to know that many people are watching, laughing, and wondering "why not me?" More experienced poly folk can pick it apart, partly because we made some of the same mistakes in our past. We can see problems coming, so we keep watching to see how they handle them. I'm not crazy about the show within the show stuff, makes it look too set up. It was going fine (IMNSHO) until the cameras started to intrude. Not like "When Two Won't Do" where the camera was an intergal part of the story, I feel like Teresa needed to be in her show. It is THEATER, after all. More success to them all, the Seattle theater scene is a great one. Come to Seattle Polycamp the last weekend in August, I'll be there doing a workshop with the Erosong family. I know at least one of the show's cast will be there. Let's hope Reid gets his show on the tube, and more to follow. Dave Hall -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Rios Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 12:25 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Cheers to Jasmine for stellar posts toNewsweek comments > -----Original Message----- > From:  Boyd Smith > > > > From: Michael Rios > > *None* of these people are folks I would want to let in my > house, much > > less be in a relationship with.  If people think that the > relationship > > styles in this series have anything to do with being poly, we're > > going to have a much bigger backlash than we've seen so far. > > > > Michael Rios > > The people on Scienfield we not either.  But they were entertaining on > TV. If there were 50 shows on TV with polyamorous people in them, and one of them made the polyfolk into buffoons, it wouldn't bother me.  But this is one of the very few (maybe the only?) poly-themed video series that has any signficant viewership. Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l http://www.practicalpolyamory.com _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From info@thetemplepriestess.com Mon Aug 17 23:28:50 2009 Received: from smtpoutwbe10.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpoutwbe10.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [208.109.78.26]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7I3RDtb014501 for ; Mon, 17 Aug 2009 23:28:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 3558 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2009 03:26:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO gem-wbe04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) (64.202.189.36) by smtpoutwbe10.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 2009 03:26:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 5657 invoked by uid 99); 18 Aug 2009 03:26:09 -0000 X-Originating-IP: 76.196.238.42 User-Agent: Web-Based Email 5.1.7 Message-Id: <20090817202609.c92c11acff2a13d67331a2ae35d6984a.99a8c53e62.wbe@email.secureserver.net> From: info@thetemplepriestess.com To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] .visitng seattle- would like to meet poly folk X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:28:50 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 20:26:09 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 03:28:50 -0000 I'll be taking some continuing ed workshops in seattle oct 13-17th , would like to meet any poly folk up there (I heard there is a big commuity?) while I'm visiting, please email me, I'd like to have people to hang out with after the workshops. Barbara info@thetemplepriestess.com From ystradyfodwg@yahoo.com Fri Aug 21 17:29:26 2009 Received: from web54407.mail.yahoo.com (web54407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.137]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7LLSKWV015677 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 17:29:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 11295 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Aug 2009 21:28:17 -0000 Message-ID: <683543.5183.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Rcqxmx8VM1mqF1PANAff5X_Niy2T6ozKPoHQ9719elWKQNYytfPTnes3mlTlq3.7JmSlt_D43K5H6SffplkbF8j9nNNMNlbA5kb5AJ2TUVOuc_QWXgI4hHc1PjnTADbSTwYzpZjSNNPz9.zwTxBNPR5l.k.zN83nITnDfwMhVoAi4Su5zNrS7FhrESy5ue1rjXJy4NJYSK7xKCYt4HHcU6LMH3wN50lgKGxaqSxXAKAAiv4pMBH3.1CJN1BmrhhyeCqfbfkUq_rwjlrw5IzOyW7yOaUGxDmBMoKAUQOwpYLUVvdzSmeqmDT.5WBuBYQSF15eC1sb5KP72INiFLYaoJl_h18uzZFI1vBifdge2tGai_oB84Q- Received: from [65.7.187.107] by web54407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:28:17 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: Mr Y To: "y\[UUPA\]" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Comments? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:29:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:28:17 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:29:26 -0000 Ask Richard: Considering=0Aan Ultimatum to her Intolerant Family=0ACOLUMN= =0ABy RICHARD WADE=0AFor Humanist=0ANetwork News=0AAugust=0A19, 2009=0Ahttp= ://americanhumanist.org/HNN/details/2009-08-ask-richard-considering-an-ulti= matum-to-her-intoleran=0A =0AYstradyfodwg aka MrY=0ADubitando ad verita= tem venimus=0A[Through scepticism comes truth]=0A =0A =E2=80=9CNeither in m= y private life nor in my writings,=0A have I ever made a secret of= being an out and out unbeliever=E2=80=9D=0A --- Sigmund Freud = , born Sigismund Schlomo Freud (6 May 1856 =E2=80=93 23 September 1939),=0A= was an Austrian-Jewish physician who founded the psychoanalyti= c school of psychology.=0A =0A=E2=80=9CThis world is a prison for the Faith= ful, but a Paradise for unbelievers=E2=80=9D=0A --- Muhammad ib= n =E2=80=98Abdull h (also spelled Mohammed or Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca =E2= =80=93=0A June 8, 632 Medina),is the central human figure of th= e religion of Islam and is regarded=0A by Muslims as the messen= ger and prophet of God=0A=0A=0A=0A From JasmineGld@aol.com Fri Aug 21 18:02:08 2009 Received: from imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (imr-ma05.mx.aol.com [64.12.100.31]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7LM0x2d018271 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:02:06 -0400 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-ma05.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7LM0okj001513 for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:00:50 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.be6.54f99f20 (14501) for ; Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:00:44 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Comments? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:02:08 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:00:44 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 22:02:08 -0000 In a message dated 8/21/2009 5:29:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, ystradyfodwg@yahoo.com writes: > Ask Richard: Considering > an Ultimatum to her Intolerant Family Richard gave excellent advice. Jasmine From dwighternest@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 08:11:30 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NCBSDh020162 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:11:28 -0400 Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so2520175gxk.21 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:11:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.104.21 with SMTP id b21mr5782745ybc.244.1251029486092; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:11:26 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dwight A. Ernest" Message-ID: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:11:30 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:11:06 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:11:30 -0000 Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive notes from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the list archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed evidence will exist.) While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous because it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their own responses. So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to you as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com From finian0178@yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 08:21:55 2009 Received: from web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.173]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7NCKmvX021556 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:21:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 15588 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2009 12:20:46 -0000 Message-ID: <100346.15524.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CyUEjkcVM1lyH2wdEthCwbKoM_JcMlCkPYwXjdqzKsJ0qBve5v2y5h4yNuXbBAOJFubs6sNjgBqDwh6CWLzG4OODGW_wLAxER.Am6LU6Qpq.IwsLILL6DaLU4GV1kQlu1baQaIoLg3DgTlFLEo5sR15X8oiLmtdqgJg8JKXXOmu0CVjwi1EnvSQvAei18VT1HmlF1ktWD6iReiuwh6q0EcPBnOvp3GHrLXckionz_dzwdz7icA7EMbyCRJjM0GwAjoDgE1WkTxVDWhHJYfFesrxTOT7_kCP70RSHHLqS3oN0l2Iw3_W12kqHfj27UZCjyUg6 Received: from [71.82.64.170] by web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:20:45 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: "Joelle O'Bryan" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:21:56 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:20:45 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:21:56 -0000 well it doesn't make much of a bother to me, but then I haven't really gott= en involved yet. Plus I've been in this super-"I'm going to be out regardle= ss 'cause I was 'too different' for the so-called inclusive homeschool grou= p without being out about anything except once having been a Wiccan and now= being a UU." mood. So I've just been flagrantly out on all sorts of issues= in my community. That's not to say that I might end up having worries one = day of the legal sort that I'd like the archives for this group to be priva= te; just right now that would be the farthest thing from my mind. love & light =0AJoelle =0A=0A=0A From catdeville@cox.net Sun Aug 23 09:01:44 2009 Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7ND0aVs025346 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:01:42 -0400 Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20090823125928.TZK21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:59:28 -0400 Received: from infinity ([68.7.251.250]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id XozT1c0045QuEGc04ozTqk; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:59:27 -0400 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=YvxjtGIVvF8A:10 a=Ppcz2ihFuRjK75tZk2UA:9 a=sl-g8UHFy6qD24seTM8A:7 a=FGUQzzBjMVf0SP3vbf4CdewVXioA:4 a=CJT5i79_eSN6d2WB:21 a=u3ZVKDNknPXJka5n:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 From: "Catherine Deville" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> thread-index: Acoj6uEjFuG7f1dZQ5iTPceo9drSUAABb2zg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Message-Id: <20090823125928.TZK21192.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:01:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 05:59:26 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:01:44 -0000 Dwight asks: > Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive notes > from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants > here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, > because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the list > archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is > private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed > evidence will exist.) > While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous because > it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, > such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their > own responses. > > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to you > as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? Personally, I tend to think that it's better for groups having to do with topics like relationships, intimacy and sex, including groups for the discussion of polyamory to be private. This is because people are more comfortable being open and discussing the issues they need to discuss if they have some sense of security and intimacy. And any private group should *always* have private archives, IMNSHO. That said, I consider it both ethical and reasonable for a group such as this one to be public for the purposes of education, as long as the fact that the group is public is disclosed. For myself, I'm out and have no children, so I have no concerns about privacy issues on a personal level, but I believe that those who do have concerns should be able to feel safe. So, I lean towards a poly group being private unless there's a reason for it to not be private (such as the fact that it's an educational resource, which I believe is part of the UUPoly mission) and that whether the group is public or private be clearly disclosed. NT, Cat From Greenearthal@aol.com Sun Aug 23 10:12:25 2009 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NEBHEJ030782 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:12:23 -0400 Received: from imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (imo-ma02.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.137]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7NEBA5a017748 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:10 -0400 Received: from Greenearthal@aol.com by imo-ma02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.be9.5a28bf73 (34935) for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.102]) by cia-da04.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA048-b2924a914df420f; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:05 -0400 Received: from webmail-mf03 (webmail-mf03.webmail.aol.com [64.12.88.216]) by smtprly-me01.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME012-b2924a914df420f; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:00 -0400 References: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-AOL-IP: 71.186.209.168 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: greenearthal@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Received: from 71.186.209.168 by webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com (64.12.88.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:00 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: Greenearthal@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:12:25 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:11:00 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:12:25 -0000 So, I'm a rapper. And a polyamorous person. I never really had any intention of becoming a "polyamorous rapper", but a few months ago my friend and bandmate told me that someone in one of our audiences found me attractive... and I was very appreciative of that, just so long as she understood that I was "a different kind of cat." And that phrase stuck with me and stuck with me and then lyrics started pouring? out of my brain and eventually I had written this. I have no music for it.? I've just started letting people see it.? Different Kind of Cat by My Rap Name is Alex June.29.2009 - August.20.2009 Lemme be up front, I don't like to front I'm not the type of cat that just says what you want I'm poly, I'm so poly there is no doubt And I'm out, I'm so out it's sump'n I shout about Show me around and try concealing my views and the next thing you know I'm talkin poly on the news It's in all of my books, in my art, and my songs I'll tell anyone who asks; I don't think it's wrong HK revealed life could be this way one day And I like it... and It's how I'm gonna stay. I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at I'm not the kinda cat that would read your email I'm not gonna cyberstalk you whatever that entails If you're lookin for a challenge in me: EPIC FAIL but if you're into honesty well then let's set sail You meet at guy at a party we're at; I give you space I meet a lady at a party we're at; want a taste? just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley face Smiley go slow? o-k, we go at your pace But I gotta be me and you gotta be you So if my girlfriend's other boyfriend has a chalice tattoo that's how he does he and what's that to you? that's how we do we because we think that's cool I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at I'm straight edge and square, I don't want no beer I don't own no car, and don't really care When last I ate meat: The year was 94 I'm the most church goin Atheist you ever saw Clothing optional? Sure! Lets get raw First I got some big shoes to remove. Need->Say->More? I confess to being strange, and to having a brain And in many ways I am totally plain Not into games, won't live life in shame so holler if you hear me if you feel the same touch me in the morning, but don't walk away we'll have tomorrow, today AND yesterday okay I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but that's just where I'm at www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com ------------- It's kinda 1 part awareness campaign : 1 part desperate personals ad : 1 part caution tape "monogamous people beware!" From darthbitsy@yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 10:21:58 2009 Received: from web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com (web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com [76.13.9.32]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7NEKmdA031969 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:21:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 48219 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2009 14:20:46 -0000 Message-ID: <183407.33835.qm@web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: igkt3lQVM1kRWbdZBvCk6OjbngAvxFoegqSVTcu3UK4dp08k.GoVKrGJjnfJqfhefq6ThZZDqeVFbBgZ79S4pOrogDVHl8rNkybMrbBMQ9gJkjO9924.e26tLVFeDcGTN2LHyXNztmcQdR4YGNxMS18qIM2UW_R1q61479zLaHtfCAr5PmaVeGlEeSDGIPCr6C9Rv9V_kepu3n5YGJjyrkdpEhI7ppB.k1paGV75zY8kc3CIoz_aY8pbgS.LitIMI5i9QV4JCnXNRa6yxy3dulUtQeF6PtRHcT9.rh6ccCZ.oP6Z5FF49chuhkpoLTK9P2NUkSMMer510SvvSBHl6YcQIaXXrIZfuvE- Received: from [71.162.105.92] by web65412.mail.ac4.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:20:46 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Bitsy To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:21:58 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:20:46 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:21:58 -0000 I also think it make sense for the archives to be private, if only because every other Poly list I am on runs this way, and it is easy to forget this one is different. (Thought, being private made add a false sense of security.) I've regrated having something indexed by google a few times. More then that, I don't see that the public archives really do any good -- the face UUP puts out to the world contains many resources, and this doesn't add much. Besides, if someone wants to know, they can join, which really is lower barier then going to town ahll to look up something. Bitsy ________________________________ From: Dwight A. Ernest To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11:06 AM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to you as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 10:45:10 2009 Received: from web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.253]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7NEi2Vt001356 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:45:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 52428 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2009 14:44:01 -0000 Message-ID: <618078.51720.qm@web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FKWr1WAVM1kE0U0_w5OC.mBmKOtWWumT7IMnIQo3.O3ZGGAjqfkCgRUXsq2vzGGzpRXgSQFQzRIgGNBNyguee1gP6Uma6Ed8AfJh6FLmGnx.oeTKGvcRUB4pFCHR6tHUa786ysLyOdSvyq5etJzTXVyOL1dzmB2X4BAW4ZpejLRwgysUIqUdJdi7a9jyEPJQHtRZLF8d5PIQYYiTzdfjJ.tHuoEiEAngXtUsjpRZFryKgAYScZw3tj5HKF8ErhgxrRxQq8DyC96VURLyLD8jOR8URiZT2VO2GRO88ad_LhZcakcLINXmuGFKbY.icWik3VozV5ZdDHeq_LhP_Ytet8DyyL2SXS6of2dfRg-- Received: from [74.193.211.18] by web110505.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:44:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.1 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:45:11 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 07:44:01 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 14:45:11 -0000 Cool. Monogamaous People Beware sounds like a good albun title. BWS --- On Sun, 8/23/09, greenearthal@aol.com wrote: > From: greenearthal@aol.com > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:11 AM > So, I'm a rapper. And a polyamorous > person. I never really had any intention > > of becoming a "polyamorous rapper", but a few months ago my > friend and bandmate > > told me that someone in one of our audiences found me > attractive... and I was > > very appreciative of that, just so long as she understood > that I was "a > > different kind of cat." And that phrase stuck with me and > stuck with me and > > then lyrics started pouring? out of my brain and eventually > I had written this. > > I have no music for it.? I've just started letting people > see it.? > > > > > > Different Kind of Cat > > by My Rap Name is Alex > > June.29.2009 - August.20.2009 > > > > Lemme be up front, I don't like to front > > I'm not the type of cat that just says what you want > > I'm poly, I'm so poly there is no doubt > > And I'm out, I'm so out it's sump'n I shout about > > Show me around and try concealing my views > > and the next thing you know I'm talkin poly on the news > > It's in all of my books, in my art, and my songs > > I'll tell anyone who asks; I don't think it's wrong > > HK revealed life could be this way one day > > And I like it... and It's how I'm gonna stay. > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of > cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o > dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's > where I'm at > > > > I'm not the kinda cat that would read your email > > I'm not gonna cyberstalk you whatever that entails > > If you're lookin for a challenge in me: EPIC FAIL > > but if you're into honesty well then let's set sail > > You meet at guy at a party we're at; I give you space > > I meet a lady at a party we're at; want a taste? > > just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley face Smiley > > go slow? o-k, we go at your pace > > But I gotta be me and you gotta be you > > So if my girlfriend's other boyfriend has a chalice tattoo > > that's how he does he and what's that to you? > > that's how we do we because we think that's cool > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of > cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o > dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's > where I'm at > > > > I'm straight edge and square, I don't want no beer > > I don't own no car, and don't really care > > When last I ate meat: The year was 94 > > I'm the most church goin Atheist you ever saw > > Clothing optional? Sure! Lets get raw > > First I got some big shoes to remove. > Need->Say->More? > > I confess to being strange, and to having a brain > > And in many ways I am totally plain > > Not into games, won't live life in shame > > so holler if you hear me if you feel the same > > touch me in the morning, but don't walk away > > we'll have tomorrow, today AND yesterday > > okay > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of > cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o > dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but that's just > where I'm at > > > > > > www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com > > > > ------------- > > > > It's kinda > > > > 1 part awareness campaign : 1 part desperate personals ad : > 1 part caution tape > > "monogamous people beware!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From keithleeds@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 11:37:17 2009 Received: from rv-out-0708.google.com (rv-out-0708.google.com [209.85.198.251]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NFbD1J006586 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:37:13 -0400 Received: by rv-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id f25so621776rvb.2 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:36:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: keithleeds@gmail.com Received: by 10.141.41.19 with SMTP id t19mr1756208rvj.41.1251041770118; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:36:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Keith Brown X-Google-Sender-Auth: 7671f5c0a6926c3d Message-ID: <810828690908230835r71851a3bi4de3c25bfb0d5b9d@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:37:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:35:50 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:37:17 -0000 I'm one for open archives. Significantly in the name of Transparency. I'm personally very out and a poly activist, and the open archives and search engines actually benefit the cause(s) I'm standing for. I also have several email addresses. Anyone may join and post here, even under a pseudonym. So, if you're a mom with three live-in boyfriends residing in (choose a state where the CPS folks will take your kids away if they get wind), get a gmail or hotmail or yahoo alias account and create a persona that you feel safe with. And continue to state in each email that the list archives are open. As one writer put it, there are plenty of private poly lists. I appreciate the breath of fresh air available here. -Keith (my real name) :) On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 5:11 AM, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: > Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive notes > from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants > here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, > because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the > list > archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is > private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed > evidence will exist.) > While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous > because > it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, > such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their > own responses. > > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to > you > as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? > > -Dwight Ernest > From ejjabla@comcast.net Sun Aug 23 11:45:16 2009 Received: from QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.16]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NFi6Es007646 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:45:13 -0400 Received: from OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.51]) by QMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id XrbA1c00216AWCUA1rjrpf; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:43:51 +0000 Received: from edddb5c91ad5a7 ([24.2.36.91]) by OMTA06.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Xrju1c0071xz6Eo8Srju4o; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: <64AB00DDE3524E98BC7C647802ABBC87@edddb5c91ad5a7> From: "Ed Blanchette" To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:45:16 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:43:56 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:45:16 -0000 considering my own life situation, including the where I live, I do not need this privacy. But I can understand that others might. So I vote for making the archives private. Ed Citrus Hts. (Sacramento County) California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dwight A. Ernest" To: Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 AM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive > notes > from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants > here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, > because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the > list > archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is > private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed > evidence will exist.) > While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous > because > it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, > such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their > own responses. > > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to > you > as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? > > -Dwight Ernest > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage > (We are looking for neighbors!) > Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 > dwighternest@gmail.com From ystradyfodwg@yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 11:46:14 2009 Received: from web54407.mail.yahoo.com (web54407.mail.yahoo.com [206.190.49.137]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7NFj8lR007697 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:46:14 -0400 Received: (qmail 84976 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Aug 2009 15:45:08 -0000 Message-ID: <191230.79745.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 7sA4oooVM1lI0MDfcBPfY3cXlq9tDS8ViQUeIvp69PiRGy5.au_EcSkZ6rr6YIAxtNALPayI8DeQZBuWvOKy_wsjYNOkMjKBs6R4cVGdMvFCYXLiJW5h0I2ftdFAhxqQ9mripKYH3Q4H1Zki4XblKJq4_oy8pActP6ImZuQlW3u87_AV813_x3b2cLuo8yokpefa0Vr.opuhtVNzFuPXANSYlcj1SFH6ZpUKwMB9cdCSqbqDdY.fwrPKed1Nn1V5B2DkJNkDuUqNPl2cAobhiNj9f5hZc9CYXy89xmoKpjZC6BPib6VcYb5kTzFL4Sf8LFr1unIqYaFTKCS4xwnXHTCzZXu5J1xVypU- Received: from [65.7.187.107] by web54407.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:45:07 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/1358.27 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> From: Mr Y To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:46:15 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 08:45:07 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 15:46:15 -0000 =0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Dwight A. Er= nest =0ATo: uupoly-l@uupa.org=0ASent: Sunday, Augus= t 23, 2009 8:11:06 AM=0ASubject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux=0A=0A[SNI= P]=0ASo I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and = to you=0Aas well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private?= =0A=0A-Dwight Ernest=0AMosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage= =0A(We are looking for neighbors!)=0ABerlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650=0Ad= wighternest@gmail.com=0A_______________________________________________=0A[= SNIP]=0A=0APersonally - since my wife and I are both open and out about bei= ng Poly - I don't really care.=0A=0AHaving stated that - and knowing the da= rk side of human nature - I can see where someone might=0Ause this type of = information in a damaging and demeaning way against another since we do liv= e=0Ain a sex-negative culture.=0A=0AIf privacy fosters open, honest and str= aightforward communications then I am for it...=0A=0A=0AYstradyfodwg aka = MrY=0ADubitando ad veritatem venimus=0A[Through scepticism comes truth]= =0A =0A =E2=80=9CNeither in my private life nor in my writings,=0A = have I ever made a secret of being an out and out unbeliever=E2=80=9D=0A = --- Sigmund Freud , born Sigismund Schlomo Freud (6 May 1856 =E2= =80=93 23 September 1939),=0A was an Austrian-Jewish physician = who founded the psychoanalytic school of psychology.=0A =0A=E2=80=9CThis wo= rld is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for unbelievers=E2=80=9D= =0A --- Muhammad ibn =E2=80=98Abdull h (also spelled Mohammed o= r Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca =E2=80=93=0A June 8, 632 Medina), is= the central human figure of the religion of Islam and is regarded=0A = by Muslims as the messenger and prophet of God=0A=0A=0A=0A From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Aug 23 12:06:16 2009 Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NG57mx011029 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:06:13 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([71.231.47.104]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KOU00JQ27BAGZEG@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 11:04:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> <191230.79745.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-reply-to: <191230.79745.qm@web54407.mail.yahoo.com> Thread-index: AcokCO+Ah+rvsnZpToSUBHCAwB2ZQgAAkvEA Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:06:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:04:24 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:06:17 -0000 I think they should be private. There are so many publicly available resources on polyamory, and even UU Polyamory, that having these archives public adds no real value, and unnecessarily increases the risk of its participants. Michael Rios > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > Behalf Of Mr Y > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:45 AM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Dwight A. Ernest > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11:06 AM > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > [SNIP] > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow > manager/moderators, and to you as well, dear contributors: > Should we make the archives private? > > -Dwight Ernest > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are > looking for neighbors!) > Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 > dwighternest@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > [SNIP] > > Personally - since my wife and I are both open and out about > being Poly - I don't really care. > > Having stated that - and knowing the dark side of human > nature - I can see where someone might use this type of > information in a damaging and demeaning way against another > since we do live in a sex-negative culture. > > If privacy fosters open, honest and straightforward > communications then I am for it... > > > Ystradyfodwg aka MrY > Dubitando ad veritatem venimus > [Through scepticism comes truth] > > "Neither in my private life nor in my writings, > have I ever made a secret of being an out and out > unbeliever" > --- Sigmund Freud , born Sigismund Schlomo Freud > (6 May 1856 - 23 September 1939), > was an Austrian-Jewish physician who founded the > psychoanalytic school of psychology. > > "This world is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for > unbelievers" > --- Muhammad ibn 'Abdull h (also spelled > Mohammed or Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca - > June 8, 632 Medina), is the central human figure > of the religion of Islam and is regarded > by Muslims as the messenger and prophet of God > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From aukje@cogeco.ca Sun Aug 23 12:28:11 2009 Received: from fipsb02.cogeco.net (smtp2.cogeco.ca [216.221.81.29]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NGR4Yk014197 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:28:11 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvsBAIYKkUoYjUg4/2dsb2JhbAAIj2LBXIQaBQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.44,259,1249272000"; d="scan'208";a="23009741" Received: from d24-141-72-56.home.cgocable.net (HELO [192.168.0.101]) ([24.141.72.56]) by fipsb02.cogeco.net with ESMTP; 23 Aug 2009 12:26:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4A916D93.9010306@cogeco.ca> From: Aukje User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> In-Reply-To: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:28:11 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 12:25:55 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:28:11 -0000 Love this! Would really like to hear it once you put it to music. aukje greenearthal@aol.com wrote: > So, I'm a rapper. And a polyamorous person. I never really had any intention > > of becoming a "polyamorous rapper", but a few months ago my friend and bandmate > > told me that someone in one of our audiences found me attractive... and I was > > very appreciative of that, just so long as she understood that I was "a > > different kind of cat." And that phrase stuck with me and stuck with me and > > then lyrics started pouring? out of my brain and eventually I had written this. > > I have no music for it.? I've just started letting people see it.? > > > > > > Different Kind of Cat > > by My Rap Name is Alex > > June.29.2009 - August.20.2009 > > > > Lemme be up front, I don't like to front > > I'm not the type of cat that just says what you want > > I'm poly, I'm so poly there is no doubt > > And I'm out, I'm so out it's sump'n I shout about > > Show me around and try concealing my views > > and the next thing you know I'm talkin poly on the news > > It's in all of my books, in my art, and my songs > > I'll tell anyone who asks; I don't think it's wrong > > HK revealed life could be this way one day > > And I like it... and It's how I'm gonna stay. > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at > > > > I'm not the kinda cat that would read your email > > I'm not gonna cyberstalk you whatever that entails > > If you're lookin for a challenge in me: EPIC FAIL > > but if you're into honesty well then let's set sail > > You meet at guy at a party we're at; I give you space > > I meet a lady at a party we're at; want a taste? > > just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley face Smiley > > go slow? o-k, we go at your pace > > But I gotta be me and you gotta be you > > So if my girlfriend's other boyfriend has a chalice tattoo > > that's how he does he and what's that to you? > > that's how we do we because we think that's cool > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at > > > > I'm straight edge and square, I don't want no beer > > I don't own no car, and don't really care > > When last I ate meat: The year was 94 > > I'm the most church goin Atheist you ever saw > > Clothing optional? Sure! Lets get raw > > First I got some big shoes to remove. Need->Say->More? > > I confess to being strange, and to having a brain > > And in many ways I am totally plain > > Not into games, won't live life in shame > > so holler if you hear me if you feel the same > > touch me in the morning, but don't walk away > > we'll have tomorrow, today AND yesterday > > okay > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > And you can hate the way I live my life but that's just where I'm at > > > > > > www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com > > > > ------------- > > > > It's kinda > > > > 1 part awareness campaign : 1 part desperate personals ad : 1 part caution tape > > "monogamous people beware!" > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > From mknd17@hotmail.com Sun Aug 23 13:58:59 2009 Received: from snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.86]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NHvock021725 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:58:56 -0400 Received: from SNT102-W26 ([65.55.90.71]) by snt0-omc2-s11.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:57:29 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.127.51.114] From: Timothy McKee To: Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Aug 2009 17:57:29.0434 (UTC) FILETIME=[2E6183A0:01CA241B] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:58:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 13:57:28 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:58:59 -0000 I think the issue is sort of like what do you want your children to know ab= out your private life. Children are perceptive and any behavior that goes t= oo far against the grain will be questioned. I think for polyamory to be c= onsidered a progressive and legitimate social movement having a public prof= ile is a good way to bear witness to the legitimacy of polyamory. =20 The group I belonged to in the early 1970s--the Children of God--is have di= fficulty with their second generation due to the fact they had sexual abuse= of minors in the late 1970s and during the 1980s. They have renounced som= e of their behaviors=2C but still struggle towards being considered legitim= ate in the type of polyamory they espouse. =20 Today is the 83rd anniversary of the death of Rudolph Valentino. One of my = favorite stories is the annual pilgrimage--on August 23rd--of Ditra Flame t= o his crypt with roses in hand. =20 Tim =20 > From: dwighternest@gmail.com > Date: Sun=2C 23 Aug 2009 08:11:06 -0400 > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux >=20 > Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive not= es > from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participant= s > here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google=2C of cour= se=2C > because=2C as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message=2C t= he list > archives are public. However=2C the list of members' email addresses is > private=2C so if you just receive and never send=2C no such publicly-inde= xed > evidence will exist.) > While this expunging is technically possible=2C the process is onerous be= cause > it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas= =2C > such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their > own responses. >=20 > So I put the question to you all=2C dear fellow manager/moderators=2C and= to you > as well=2C dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? >=20 > -Dwight Ernest > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage > (We are looking for neighbors!) > Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 > dwighternest@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From cyn@technomom.com Sun Aug 23 17:29:21 2009 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.194]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7NLSBOl001597 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:29:17 -0400 Received: from rosewish (c-76-20-250-74.hsd1.ga.comcast.net [76.20.250.74]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKp8S-1MfKbd2Lt6-000iie; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:28:08 -0400 From: "Cynthia Armistead" To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> <100346.15524.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <100346.15524.qm@web34507.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Organization: Fireheart Foundry Message-ID: <01b801ca2438$a58250f0$f086f2d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acoj7F4DyKCLUAiiRpy+zHgV8fcfrgAS+58A Content-Language: en-us X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX199Zckem33YxV/wFWYH1B4pjdzFosdiWTNsnsZ BnGPFzV2S4q/nRQPVTHFmvxAQbJR3xsPx8/IVaDDsvlqUzCslU kt2Cf1rBNulptJZWAIbOL1TTnm4cx9X Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: cyn@technomom.com, uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:29:21 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:28:20 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:29:21 -0000 Although my partner and I are completely out, there have been times when I haven't responded to something because the list archives are open. On the other hand, I wouldn't say anything incredibly private on the internet, period, because "private" archives are no guarantee. Joelle mentioned a problem with a not-truly-inclusive homeschool group. I just wanted to mention that the HUUH-L group IS truly inclusive. I'm not the only openly poly person who has been active there. Namaste, Cyn __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4361 (20090823) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com From licorice.gumdrop@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:17:34 2009 Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.150]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7O0HVip012133 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:17:31 -0400 Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so1005697qwc.8 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.85.80 with SMTP id n16mr2325984qal.200.1251072988696; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?10.202.181.221? (mobile-166-137-134-024.mycingular.net [166.137.134.24]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm112399qwf.46.2009.08.23.17.16.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:16:28 -0700 (PDT) References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> <64AB00DDE3524E98BC7C647802ABBC87@edddb5c91ad5a7> Message-Id: <0653A8A4-79BA-408B-8780-5D910C625156@gmail.com> From: licorice gumdrop To: "uupoly-l@uupa.org" In-Reply-To: <64AB00DDE3524E98BC7C647802ABBC87@edddb5c91ad5a7> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (7A341) Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 7A341) Cc: "" Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:17:34 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:16:17 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:17:34 -0000 I'm ok with public, but my preference would be for private - for the reasons already mentioned by others. - Jenny ### sent from a mobile device - please forgive any thumb-related spelling errors. On Aug 23, 2009, at 11:43 AM, "Ed Blanchette" wrote: > considering my own life situation, including the where I live, I do > not need > this privacy. But I can understand that others might. So I vote > for making > the archives private. > > Ed > Citrus Hts. (Sacramento County) > California USA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dwight A. Ernest" > To: > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 5:11 AM > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > >> Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive >> notes >> from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been >> participants >> here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of >> course, >> because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, >> the >> list >> archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is >> private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly- >> indexed >> evidence will exist.) >> While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous >> because >> it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical >> dilemmas, >> such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in >> their >> own responses. >> >> So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, >> and to >> you >> as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? >> >> -Dwight Ernest >> Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage >> (We are looking for neighbors!) >> Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 >> dwighternest@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about > yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From freexenon@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 20:26:42 2009 Received: from mail-vw0-f203.google.com (mail-vw0-f203.google.com [209.85.212.203]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7O0Qbkl013334 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:26:37 -0400 Received: by vws41 with SMTP id 41so1531854vws.8 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: freexenon@gmail.com Received: by 10.220.89.77 with SMTP id d13mr4692821vcm.91.1251073596147; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 17:26:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0653A8A4-79BA-408B-8780-5D910C625156@gmail.com> References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> <64AB00DDE3524E98BC7C647802ABBC87@edddb5c91ad5a7> <0653A8A4-79BA-408B-8780-5D910C625156@gmail.com> From: Poly Friend X-Google-Sender-Auth: f06381c3f1b9d94e Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:26:42 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:26:16 -0600 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:26:42 -0000 I am for private as well. From autumnfire1957@yahoo.com Sun Aug 23 21:12:23 2009 Received: from web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.69.150]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7O1BEnT016841 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:12:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 40243 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2009 01:11:12 -0000 Message-ID: <956117.35229.qm@web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dgb9SnMVM1k9IXwNMm8d1zLEzhKn84sr5FincX.z8Z0mklI.aqNmYyvFLCd0c2KPd6hiQC.FXAelTFZrs8LATzwfN97mqAx.goDX_cop0.p6VQlpziwTIitVjAsN7K2K1UcXTWRWouCho_LacT_ebMF1bII9xV5zOOuiT9X2cCGnsxmdG2T8DKeZ.lH5NMCiIDqUEgreLf0M3BYDFF4E00uBa1zn489jZa80ej9RjMs1Boaflz5HxlDx0vvUhys2VjE.RWFUG4X6OLlkJbzjJC5R7KcoH.4tCq51eJn7yAER5BD7qiiTH43WPkn.zJFVOSdV0dMysOoKdXTSIDzYHEqfti8tPqIn8vSJZQ-- Received: from [173.48.100.106] by web33202.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:11:11 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: joe ruivo To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:12:24 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 18:11:11 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 01:12:24 -0000 I keep my own file of UUPoly messages. I believe the file should be kept pu= blic. If someone is concerned about their identidy the should use a psuedon= ym .=A0 autumnfire1957@yahoo.com Garibaldi:=A0 "No Boom?" Sinclair:=A0=A0=A0=A0"No Boom." Ivanova:=A0=A0= =A0 "No Boom Today; Boom Tomorrow. There's Always A Boom Tomorrow." --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Dwight A. Ernest wrote: From: Dwight A. Ernest Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 8:11 AM Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive notes from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the lis= t archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed evidence will exist.) While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous becaus= e it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their own responses. So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to yo= u as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA=A0 =A0 =A0 +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l =0A=0A=0A From anthony.roza@gmail.com Sun Aug 23 22:03:03 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f221.google.com (mail-ew0-f221.google.com [209.85.219.221]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7O232C0020401 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:03:02 -0400 Received: by ewy21 with SMTP id 21so2234031ewy.21 for ; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:02:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.9.81 with SMTP id 59mr795101wes.181.1251079377263; Sun, 23 Aug 2009 19:02:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4A916D93.9010306@cogeco.ca> References: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> <4A916D93.9010306@cogeco.ca> Message-ID: <5aaa462a0908231902r555b16acv746cd1e4a0ba7a34@mail.gmail.com> From: Roza Anthony To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:03:03 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:02:57 +0900 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 02:03:03 -0000 desperate personal ad? sounds more like triumphant personal ad. i love it! and i don't usually like rap. On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Aukje wrote: > Love this! Would really like to hear it once you put it to music. > > aukje > > greenearthal@aol.com wrote: > > So, I'm a rapper. And a polyamorous person. I never really had any > intention > > > > of becoming a "polyamorous rapper", but a few months ago my friend and > bandmate > > > > told me that someone in one of our audiences found me attractive... and I > was > > > > very appreciative of that, just so long as she understood that I was "a > > > > different kind of cat." And that phrase stuck with me and stuck with me > and > > > > then lyrics started pouring? out of my brain and eventually I had written > this. > > > > I have no music for it.? I've just started letting people see it.? > > > > > > > > > > > > Different Kind of Cat > > > > by My Rap Name is Alex > > > > June.29.2009 - August.20.2009 > > > > > > > > Lemme be up front, I don't like to front > > > > I'm not the type of cat that just says what you want > > > > I'm poly, I'm so poly there is no doubt > > > > And I'm out, I'm so out it's sump'n I shout about > > > > Show me around and try concealing my views > > > > and the next thing you know I'm talkin poly on the news > > > > It's in all of my books, in my art, and my songs > > > > I'll tell anyone who asks; I don't think it's wrong > > > > HK revealed life could be this way one day > > > > And I like it... and It's how I'm gonna stay. > > > > > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at > > > > > > > > I'm not the kinda cat that would read your email > > > > I'm not gonna cyberstalk you whatever that entails > > > > If you're lookin for a challenge in me: EPIC FAIL > > > > but if you're into honesty well then let's set sail > > > > You meet at guy at a party we're at; I give you space > > > > I meet a lady at a party we're at; want a taste? > > > > just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley face Smiley > > > > go slow? o-k, we go at your pace > > > > But I gotta be me and you gotta be you > > > > So if my girlfriend's other boyfriend has a chalice tattoo > > > > that's how he does he and what's that to you? > > > > that's how we do we because we think that's cool > > > > > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > > > And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at > > > > > > > > I'm straight edge and square, I don't want no beer > > > > I don't own no car, and don't really care > > > > When last I ate meat: The year was 94 > > > > I'm the most church goin Atheist you ever saw > > > > Clothing optional? Sure! Lets get raw > > > > First I got some big shoes to remove. Need->Say->More? > > > > I confess to being strange, and to having a brain > > > > And in many ways I am totally plain > > > > Not into games, won't live life in shame > > > > so holler if you hear me if you feel the same > > > > touch me in the morning, but don't walk away > > > > we'll have tomorrow, today AND yesterday > > > > okay > > > > > > > > I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat > > > > And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat > > > > But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat > > > > And you can hate the way I live my life but that's just where I'm at > > > > > > > > > > > > www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com > > > > > > > > ------------- > > > > > > > > It's kinda > > > > > > > > 1 part awareness campaign : 1 part desperate personals ad : 1 part > caution tape > > > > "monogamous people beware!" > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- Disclaimer: No trees were harmed in the sending of this message; however, a significant number of electrons were slightly inconvenienced. From union-consult@charter.net Mon Aug 24 07:45:06 2009 Received: from que11.charter.net (que11.charter.net [209.225.8.21]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OBhxos022459 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:45:05 -0400 Received: from imp11 ([10.20.200.11]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.01.00 201-2219-108-20080618) with ESMTP id <20090824114038.XVYS6957.mta21.charter.net@imp11> for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:40:38 -0400 Received: from kelly ([71.80.44.214]) by imp11 with smtp.charter.net id YBge1c0054dFJzK05Bgetm; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:40:38 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=04NX09IcXvcA:10 a=uUGJarPkMbSHuTLryq0A:9 a=mWx7XklGTVYynHayz4iD2xnqIxsA:4 Message-ID: <9CF41B9E47234303A5DBE98DED8125BF@kelly> From: "Union Consult" To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 Archives public or private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:45:06 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:40:35 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:45:06 -0000 private From SESpruiell@aol.com Mon Aug 24 09:12:37 2009 Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7ODBSWt028579 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:12:34 -0400 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7ODBK0r008321 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:20 -0400 Received: from SESpruiell@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.ccb.53c3a432 (37688) for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from SpruiellHome-PC.nyc.rr.com (cpe-72-229-97-83.nyc.res.rr.com [72.229.97.83]) by cia-mb08.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB084-93384a929175181; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:17 -0400 From: sespruiell To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <54f39620.b723.4b84.8989.cb7c63892270@aol.com> References: X-Mailer: Nexus Desktop Client 3.1.20.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-AOL-IP: 72.229.97.83 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: SESpruiell@aol.com Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:12:37 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:12 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:12:37 -0000 I go for private. Selah Eric Spruiell In a message dated 08/23/09 22:05:17 Eastern Daylight Time, uupoly-l-request@uupa.org writes: www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com From JasmineGld@aol.com Mon Aug 24 11:10:54 2009 Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OF9lrV007983 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:10:53 -0400 Received: from imo-da03.mx.aol.com (imo-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.201]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7OF9e5I018080 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:09:40 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.d51.5434db9c (39952) for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:09:35 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:10:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:09:35 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:10:54 -0000 I'd like the archives to remain public. UUPoly is different from most poly email lists. UUPoly set out to be open and transparent, to invite people to watch poly UUs as we brainstorm about integrating polyamory and religion. No one can credibly say that we dreamed this work up in secret, because it was all right out there in public archives from the beginning, every step of the way. The notice that the archives are public is included in every message. Jasmine From dwighternest@gmail.com Mon Aug 24 11:35:37 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OFZaJX012680 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:35:36 -0400 Received: by gxk10 with SMTP id 10so3455369gxk.21 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:35:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.4.9 with SMTP id g9mr8344445ybi.98.1251128135065; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 08:35:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Dwight A. Ernest" Message-ID: <5f66bff30908240835n46317d5dp920b874317d652cc@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:35:38 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:35:15 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 15:35:38 -0000 On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:09, wrote: > I'd like the archives to remain public. > > UUPoly is different from most poly email lists. UUPoly set out to be open > and transparent, to invite people to watch poly UUs as we brainstorm about > integrating polyamory and religion. No one can credibly say that we dreamed > this work up in secret, because it was all right out there in public > archives from the beginning, every step of the way. > > The notice that the archives are public is included in every message. > > Jasmine > This is very persuasive, Jasmine. Thank you. -Dwight From haslamk@gmail.com Mon Aug 24 12:50:26 2009 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com (an-out-0708.google.com [209.85.132.243]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OGoNnb020372 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:50:23 -0400 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c37so899790anc.2 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:49:21 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.44.1 with SMTP id w1mr4892269anj.113.1251132560493; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:49:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7f7f511e0908240949u6ff6889er183aac2ed8e5a2ca@mail.gmail.com> From: Ken Haslam To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 14 X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:50:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 12:49:20 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:50:26 -0000 I am all for public access to whatever we have to say about Polyamory. How we live our lives is nothing to be ashamed of and hiding it from the public makes it just look bad. What are we hiding? UUs are all about truth in whatever form it may take. The truth is the truth. Someone has to take the stand that Polyamory is good and wholesome. UUs have been opening the door to change for hundreds of years -- why stop now? I am all for keeping the list open to the public. Ken Haslam On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 12:00 PM, wrote: > Send UUPoly-L mailing list submissions to > uupoly-l@uupa.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > uupoly-l-request@uupa.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > uupoly-l-owner@uupa.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of UUPoly-L digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 Archives public or > private (Union Consult) > 2. Re: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 (sespruiell) > 3. Re: Public Archives Redux (JasmineGld@aol.com) > 4. Re: Public Archives Redux (Dwight A. Ernest) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Union Consult" > To: > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 07:40:35 -0400 > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 Archives public > or private > private > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sespruiell > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 09:11:12 -0400 > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 59, Issue 13 > I go for private. > > Selah Eric Spruiell > > > > In a message dated 08/23/09 22:05:17 Eastern Daylight Time, > uupoly-l-request@uupa.org writes: > www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: JasmineGld@aol.com > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:09:35 EDT > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > I'd like the archives to remain public. > > UUPoly is different from most poly email lists. UUPoly set out to be open > and transparent, to invite people to watch poly UUs as we brainstorm about > integrating polyamory and religion. No one can credibly say that we dreamed > this work up in secret, because it was all right out there in public > archives from the beginning, every step of the way. > > The notice that the archives are public is included in every message. > > Jasmine > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Dwight A. Ernest" > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:35:15 -0400 > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:09, wrote: > > > I'd like the archives to remain public. > > > > UUPoly is different from most poly email lists. UUPoly set out to be open > > and transparent, to invite people to watch poly UUs as we brainstorm > about > > integrating polyamory and religion. No one can credibly say that we > dreamed > > this work up in secret, because it was all right out there in public > > archives from the beginning, every step of the way. > > > > The notice that the archives are public is included in every message. > > > > Jasmine > > > > This is very persuasive, Jasmine. Thank you. > > -Dwight > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Byshe Shelley From md4714@hotmail.com Mon Aug 24 13:18:53 2009 Received: from col0-omc2-s11.col0.hotmail.com (col0-omc2-s11.col0.hotmail.com [65.55.34.85]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OHHg9M025055 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:18:49 -0400 Received: from COL109-W64 ([65.55.34.71]) by col0-omc2-s11.col0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:17:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [99.63.191.210] From: Michael Douglass To: Importance: Normal MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2009 17:17:21.0814 (UTC) FILETIME=[BDBD9B60:01CA24DE] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public or private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:18:53 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:17:21 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:18:53 -0000 Private. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=3DPID23285::T:WLMTAGL= :ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009= From mknd17@hotmail.com Mon Aug 24 13:29:56 2009 Received: from snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com (snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com [65.55.90.79]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OHSi6u026729 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:29:51 -0400 Received: from SNT102-W6 ([65.55.90.72]) by snt0-omc2-s4.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:28:23 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [76.127.51.114] From: Timothy McKee To: Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Aug 2009 17:28:23.0856 (UTC) FILETIME=[48593300:01CA24E0] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public or private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:29:56 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:28:23 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:29:56 -0000 I think this should not be subject to a vote=2C but that people be informed= why the archives have always been publlic. =20 > From: md4714@hotmail.com > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Mon=2C 24 Aug 2009 17:17:21 +0000 > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public or private >=20 >=20 > Private. > _________________________________________________________________ > Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. > http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=3DPID23285::T:WLMTA= GL:ON:WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From finian0178@yahoo.com Mon Aug 24 13:43:03 2009 Received: from web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com [66.163.178.167]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7OHfses028512 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:43:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 96180 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Aug 2009 17:41:54 -0000 Message-ID: <313093.95276.qm@web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: DmJaA9IVM1mZ5qztPMNXiXWsp7YmU218o.6R_bwQB57UrcSi8dxmOqQjD6ynsV.t0jWivdawD5fqo5fMDrKTX8C993PCDUQ3WnsHVl0lEAgGy3JKFgzZSGfBZck4CaR_7WS6OyprywvA.Geo7G_hiS64uz92l1GuCIodSQCAydydGqMrvFZX.oxOsGIVUdrwRlUZ.NP.YH6v2HQYqLg0NTLoNYb9jZH06cAFpyo.eya_bbCCn2uEmnQmmw6zFZ8GhBO_QZJkx.qfc5LFEQjjFoASaWelpjLZ8bPMT49oeNzYF.mo5OKUKZtVg49Voh_Q5Cug Received: from [71.82.64.170] by web34501.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:41:54 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: "Joelle O'Bryan" To: cyn@technomom.com, uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <01b801ca2438$a58250f0$f086f2d0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:43:03 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:41:54 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 17:43:03 -0000 Thanks for the mention, Cyn. That's not a group I'm on yet, although I'm ve= ry involved with a UU homeschoolers list on yahoo where I'm out with no pro= blems. Not that I won't sign up for the group you mentioned as well :D Joelle Joelle mentioned a problem with a not-truly-inclusive homeschool group. I just wanted to mention that the HUUH-L group IS truly inclusive. I'm not th= e only openly poly person who has been active there. Namaste, Cyn =20 =0A=0A=0A From kb4wyr@fhrd.net Mon Aug 24 14:15:00 2009 Received: from trueband.net (director.trueband.net [216.163.120.8]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7OIDrOZ030811 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:14:59 -0400 Received: (qmail 26736 invoked by uid 1006); 24 Aug 2009 18:13:50 -0000 Received: from kb4wyr@fhrd.net by rs0 by uid 1003 with qmail-scanner-1.16 (spamassassin: 3.2.5. Clear:SA:0(0.1/100.0):. Processed in 0.236107 secs); 24 Aug 2009 18:13:50 -0000 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=100.0 X-Spam-Level: Received: from unknown (HELO trueband.net) (172.16.0.2) by -v with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 18:13:50 -0000 Received: (qmail 22104 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2009 18:13:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO PRINTSERVER) (kb4wyr@67.54.135.214) by -v with SMTP; 24 Aug 2009 18:13:47 -0000 From: "Christine Heinsohn" To: References: In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001f01ca24e6$9b910150$d2b303f0$@net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acok3wtW/YED1pkSRNSaYPHeswXSKAABqeVg Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public or private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:15:00 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:13:28 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:15:00 -0000 I am not sure that we can have a good discussion on this via the list, which kind of makes it a moot point. Those folks that want their information to remain private have recently been made aware that anything they say on this list is searchable by the general public. Essentially, if they weren't aware of that fact before, they are now and will probably not voice their perspective in much detail. >From the beginning, this list has had open archives as part of the intent of the group was education of others. They have never been closed. This topic comes up every now and then. The leadership of the list in the past have taken the view express by Jasmine and Ken. At one point, I know we had the message about the list being public, at the top of the messages (that was when were using a another server. That way you had to work really really hard to miss that public announcement. Dwight, could we perhaps insert the announcement at the top versus the bottom? -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+kb4wyr=fhrd.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+kb4wyr=fhrd.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Michael Douglass Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 12:17 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public or private Private. _________________________________________________________________ Windows Live: Keep your friends up to date with what you do online. http://windowslive.com/Campaign/SocialNetworking?ocid=PID23285::T:WLMTAGL:ON :WL:en-US:SI_SB_online:082009 _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From popefelix@gmail.com Mon Aug 24 14:21:11 2009 Received: from mail-bw0-f207.google.com (mail-bw0-f207.google.com [209.85.218.207]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7OIL7JM032153 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 14:21:07 -0400 Received: by bwz3 with SMTP id 3so1607996bwz.26 for ; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:21:06 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.53.149 with SMTP id m21mr5012143fag.101.1251138065981; Mon, 24 Aug 2009 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <001f01ca24e6$9b910150$d2b303f0$@net> References: <001f01ca24e6$9b910150$d2b303f0$@net> Message-ID: From: Kit Peters To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n7OIL7JM032153 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public or private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:21:11 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:21:05 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 18:21:11 -0000 On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 13:13, Christine Heinsohn wrote: > At one point, I know we had the message about the list being public, at the > top of the messages (that was when were using a another server.  That way > you had to work really really hard to miss that public announcement. > Dwight, could we perhaps insert the announcement at the top versus the > bottom? I would rather not see a big old disclaimer at the top of every post. Not to mention I don't know how GMail (where I and I'm certain many others read UUPoly-L) would handle that - it might well treat the entire message as quoted text and hide it. Keep the archives public. If people don't want to post, they don't have to. If someone wants to create a private UUPoly mailing list, they can do it themselves. KP -- GPG public key fingerpint: 1A12 04B6 0C80 306A B292 14FD 2C7A 1037 F666 46A7 From mistmtn26@yahoo.com Thu Aug 27 22:08:44 2009 Received: from web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [98.137.26.141]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7S27afL028719 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:08:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 74157 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2009 02:07:33 -0000 Message-ID: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ON92jGEVM1mmg7ugXY5zxJwiBYOnrErd3F.kDPVuSVbhC8UGSe7nGqp76nBunXlSfbD8Bhf4fzyC2pjrtbGf71PUBOTN4tg2djxDIx30Kh_7NqUCQ6WEhTwphXiAOTo76rJwAdqYWIQO2GhLvU3Sov2m7Fq6oXc0fH.zTU_p8R7nuW4Q5b4gGq0SJREyBMhxrRcPH4kwG7lmeBulCfbtWF7ExBP7UdAJiN.KjjGTopwu3xswzMe_WLmxpO5glOqMscpu9f4lAqJnnQfY0xarhhyGI0cgfZBS3idgGEmr34_n6tha0p.QwOo5ESbGbisNxvZ.3whqe1d44va.6uzkOVkpBpouyR6TYqkjrmaH1pdE2rXgCb65DJEfIsLGV96HU.4- Received: from [69.136.238.38] by web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:07:32 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: Mist To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:08:44 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:07:32 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:08:44 -0000 I would prefer they be private. --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael Rios wrote: From: Michael Rios Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:04 PM I think they should be private.=A0 There are so many publicly available resources on polyamory, and even UU Polyamory, that having these archives public adds no real value, and unnecessarily increases the risk of its participants. Michael Rios=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=3Dcfnc.us@uupa.org=20 > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=3Dcfnc.us@uupa.org] On=20 > Behalf Of Mr Y > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:45 AM > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux >=20 >=20 >=20 >=A0=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > ________________________________ > From: Dwight A. Ernest > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11:06 AM > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux >=20 > [SNIP] > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow=20 > manager/moderators, and to you as well, dear contributors:=20 > Should we make the archives private? >=20 > -Dwight Ernest > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are=20 > looking for neighbors!) > Berlin MA USA=A0 =A0 =A0 +1.860.532.0650 > dwighternest@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > [SNIP] >=20 > Personally - since my wife and I are both open and out about=20 > being Poly - I don't really care. >=20 > Having stated that - and knowing the dark side of human=20 > nature - I can see where someone might use this type of=20 > information in a damaging and demeaning way against another=20 > since we do live in a sex-negative culture. >=20 > If privacy fosters open, honest and straightforward=20 > communications then I am for it... >=20 >=20 > Ystradyfodwg=A0=A0=A0aka=A0=A0=A0MrY > Dubitando ad veritatem venimus > [Through scepticism comes truth] >=A0=20 >=A0 "Neither in my private life nor in my writings, >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0have I ever made a secret of being an out and out= =20 > unbeliever" >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Sigmund Freud , born Sigismund Schlomo Fre= ud=20 > (6 May 1856 - 23 September 1939), >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 was an Austrian-Jewish physician who founded t= he=20 > psychoanalytic school of psychology. >=A0=20 > "This world is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for=20 > unbelievers" >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 --- Muhammad ibn 'Abdull h (also spelled=20 > Mohammed or Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca - >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 June 8, 632 Medina), is the central human figu= re=20 > of the religion of Islam and is regarded >=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 by Muslims as the messenger and prophet of God >=20 >=20 >=20 >=A0 =A0 =A0=A0=A0 > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal=20 > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >=20 _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l =0A=0A=0A From tbrumfie@juno.com Thu Aug 27 22:58:30 2009 Received: from outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com (outbound-mail.vgs.untd.com [64.136.55.15]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7S2vK49002287 for ; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 22:58:27 -0400 X-UOL-TAGLINE: true Received: from outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com (webmail11.vgs.untd.com [10.181.12.151]) by smtpout05.vgs.untd.com with SMTP id AABFKQT3WA4W8XYA for (sender ); Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:55:48 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: rpyj/tFhPLWAlryNAigtzKs8kFSp6qaNrZTtSx4bvwmu1HSp+yvsxg== Received: (from tbrumfie@juno.com) by webmail11.vgs.untd.com (jqueuemail) id PQZ5V59Q; Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:54:59 PDT Received: from [68.101.218.179] by webmail11.vgs.untd.com with HTTP: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:54:22 GMT X-Originating-IP: [68.101.218.179] Mime-Version: 1.0 From: "tbrumfie@juno.com" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailer: Webmail Version 4.0 Message-Id: <20090827.195422.19523.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 X-ContentStamp: 1:1:1694151770 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 10.181.12.151|webmail11.vgs.untd.com|outbound-bu1.vgs.untd.com|tbrumfie@juno.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n7S2vK49002287 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Tony votes private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:30 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:54:22 GMT X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 02:58:30 -0000 I would prefer they stay private. Tony ____________________________________________________________ Medical Insurance Quotes Compare medical insurance companies and save money now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nhXNx68ofz0fFnUtMwD2KQAAJ1CVaJYuyMf2MIn3e7hgX9iaAAQAAAAFAAAAAJqZGT4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAElA2AAAAAA== From serenasdream@yahoo.com Fri Aug 28 13:13:39 2009 Received: from web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.230]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7SHCVkC021859 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 13:13:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 59665 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Aug 2009 17:12:31 -0000 Message-ID: <171701.59537.qm@web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6C9dw1sVM1kCIs2oThLqRmzEF5W0mTTwTik2z66xrVEdmELuuRd3neEiQlhpXQTDvmRcRT934kM9nuDdamnVYbiDw7VVjlEX82vtwkmCsCBoRi.19TnhziJQRz1U181wrhR27QP8tCQKKXOyWJ1gp.hGG2EmR6aU15qZuYOm9q8LfxsgdbkJWhThq4yN_hJaRtHNfTHvgQTAGQwhwxxBw5RUgdkPiTW7MMUBBUAoMTExefLWkzGdfWy_CKGw_XgKrOiL5YhRiJD53g_uunhtcu.q2gyf_HSqaOrNgU7LUUHGrU5KE57pCdTsgWrBg2yQFQX1zyKUNc8AZqUr4qPbMxeRnWl58nd1bTQ- Received: from [67.160.93.69] by web32603.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:12:30 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: Rena To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Looking for a Poly Friendly Congregation in Tacoma X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:13:39 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 10:12:30 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 17:13:39 -0000 Hello All, =C2=A0 I've been on this list a long time, quietly reading the posts. I'm not a lu= rker so much as I am an observer :) I am a UU though I have not been a part= of a congregaton in a couple of years. To be blunt, my polyamorous self, a= nd my spiritual practice and path were not well accepted by the power struc= ture of my last UU church. I'll spare you the details. I withdrew=C2=A0 fro= m the congregation with bruised feelings to put it mildly. =C2=A0 I am feeling that I want to seek the community of other spiritual seekers. = Are there Tacoma, WA folks on this list and if so, what are the UU congrega= tions like here? I just want to quietly explore my path in a safe space,=C2= =A0 and go to services and events with my partners without being a pariah. = I don't want to convert anyone to my way, I want only to be left to my own = spiritual path in peace. Probably more than I can hope for, but it never hu= rts to hope... =C2=A0 Anyway, any input is welcome. =C2=A0 Thanks, =C2=A0 R "Love is everything it's cracked up to be=E2=80=A6It really is worth fighti= ng for, being brave for, risking everything for."=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Erica Jong=C2=A0 =C2=A0=0A=0A=0A From jens207@gmail.com Fri Aug 28 21:39:05 2009 Received: from mail-qy0-f172.google.com (mail-qy0-f172.google.com [209.85.221.172]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7T1d43g001932 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:39:04 -0400 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2so639713qyk.21 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:39:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.82.202 with SMTP id c10mr1716691qal.173.1251508439401; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:13:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com> From: Jens Wennberg To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:39:05 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:13:59 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:39:05 -0000 I have to say I am with Ken and others. There are lots of lists where you can post anonymously. This is a list of Unitarians to raise *awareness*. We need to remember this mission. Keeping the list private does not add to that mission. Jens Wennberg First Unitarian Church of Ithaca New York On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Mist wrote: > I would prefer they be private. > > > --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Michael Rios wrote: > > > From: Michael Rios > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 12:04 PM > > > I think they should be private. There are so many publicly available > resources on polyamory, and even UU Polyamory, that having these archives > public adds no real value, and unnecessarily increases the risk of its > participants. > > Michael Rios > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather=cfnc.us@uupa.org > > [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+earthfather = > cfnc.us@uupa.org] On > > Behalf Of Mr Y > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:45 AM > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Dwight A. Ernest > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11:06 AM > > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > > > [SNIP] > > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow > > manager/moderators, and to you as well, dear contributors: > > Should we make the archives private? > > > > -Dwight Ernest > > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are > > looking for neighbors!) > > Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 > > dwighternest@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > > [SNIP] > > > > Personally - since my wife and I are both open and out about > > being Poly - I don't really care. > > > > Having stated that - and knowing the dark side of human > > nature - I can see where someone might use this type of > > information in a damaging and demeaning way against another > > since we do live in a sex-negative culture. > > > > If privacy fosters open, honest and straightforward > > communications then I am for it... > > > > > > Ystradyfodwg aka MrY > > Dubitando ad veritatem venimus > > [Through scepticism comes truth] > > > > "Neither in my private life nor in my writings, > > have I ever made a secret of being an out and out > > unbeliever" > > --- Sigmund Freud , born Sigismund Schlomo Freud > > (6 May 1856 - 23 September 1939), > > was an Austrian-Jewish physician who founded the > > psychoanalytic school of psychology. > > > > "This world is a prison for the Faithful, but a Paradise for > > unbelievers" > > --- Muhammad ibn 'Abdull h (also spelled > > Mohammed or Muhammed) (ca. 570 Mecca - > > June 8, 632 Medina), is the central human figure > > of the religion of Islam and is regarded > > by Muslims as the messenger and prophet of God > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > > about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From earthfather@cfnc.us Fri Aug 28 21:48:18 2009 Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7T1lBgQ002844 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:48:18 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([70.58.69.19]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP4004KP7L4DIJA@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 20:46:21 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com> Message-id: <30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AcooSY0wwU5a1EaaSqWpptuLfOTplgAADcmw Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:48:18 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:46:19 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:48:18 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Wennberg > > I have to say I am with Ken and others. There are lots of > lists where you can post anonymously. This is a list of > Unitarians to raise *awareness*. > We need to remember this mission. Keeping the list private > does not add to that mission. I honestly don't see how an e-list is going to "raise awareness" of anyone who isn't already interested in polyamory-- and if they are, there are lots better ways to learn about it than whatever is randomly being posted here. A UUPoly website, with appropriate articles, links, etc., would be *far* more effective than keeping the archives of this list public. If there are threads from this list that are particularly illuminating, they could be posted on the website as well (after asking permission of the participants, of course). As has been pointed out, all anyone has to do who is interested in the archives is to join the list. Keeping them private just avoids "drive-by" searches by random people who probably don't even know what they are searching at first. I see this a much more of a support list for UU polyfolk, and as such, think the archives should be private. Michael Rios From melodywinnell@gmail.com Fri Aug 28 21:49:42 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f223.google.com (mail-gx0-f223.google.com [209.85.217.223]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7T1ng2h003396 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:49:42 -0400 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so3123260gxk.20 for ; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.177.15 with SMTP id e15mr1465803agp.74.1251510581631; Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:49:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bda762.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (bda-67-223-77-181.bise.na.blackberry.com [67.223.77.181]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 23sm245225yxe.4.2009.08.28.18.49.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:49:40 -0700 (PDT) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 789414987 Message-ID: <789414987-1251510579-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-489602622-@bxe1299.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal References: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com><350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com><30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> In-Reply-To: <30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: melodywinnell@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n7T1ng2h003396 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: melodywinnell@gmail.com, uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:49:42 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:49:39 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 01:49:42 -0000 Also voting for private. I post very little here because it is public. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -----Original Message----- From: "Michael Rios" Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 18:46:19 To: Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > -----Original Message----- > From: Jens Wennberg > > I have to say I am with Ken and others. There are lots of > lists where you can post anonymously. This is a list of > Unitarians to raise *awareness*. > We need to remember this mission. Keeping the list private > does not add to that mission. I honestly don't see how an e-list is going to "raise awareness" of anyone who isn't already interested in polyamory-- and if they are, there are lots better ways to learn about it than whatever is randomly being posted here. A UUPoly website, with appropriate articles, links, etc., would be *far* more effective than keeping the archives of this list public. If there are threads from this list that are particularly illuminating, they could be posted on the website as well (after asking permission of the participants, of course). As has been pointed out, all anyone has to do who is interested in the archives is to join the list. Keeping them private just avoids "drive-by" searches by random people who probably don't even know what they are searching at first. I see this a much more of a support list for UU polyfolk, and as such, think the archives should be private. Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sat Aug 29 09:24:16 2009 Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7TDN1Jl013299 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:24:16 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP5008BP3SUE8JB@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:22:10 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 13:24:17 -0000 Hi Dwight: I'm just getting back from some adventures, and just saw this. All the = lists I own/moderate are private....archives are not visible to = non-members and everyone must give a lucid and relevant reason to join. = In the Yahoo format this is just a couple of clicks to accomplish. I'm = sorry to hear that to make that transition for this list would be so = difficult. However, my vote, if that is what you're asking for, is = "private". Namaste': =20 Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and planning to move to Hinsdale, NH....some = time within the next 6 months (hopefully)!! Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow = to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dwight A. Ernest=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11 AM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive = notes from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been = participants here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of = course, because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, = the list archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is private, so if you just receive and never send, no such = publicly-indexed evidence will exist.) While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous = because it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical = dilemmas, such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in = their own responses. So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and = to you as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sat Aug 29 10:01:46 2009 Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7TE0er4015874 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:01:46 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP500K8M5JX9OC5@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 08:59:59 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com> <30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> In-reply-to: <30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:01:46 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:00:01 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:01:46 -0000 After reading the other responses to the original question, I'm inspired = to say a bit more about my feelings around this issue. First I want to say that I'm very much in line with Michael Rios about = this, and thus retain his post (below). I am a poly-activist too. I am "out". I do not have a fear of public = or private repercussions for being polyamorous....and "bi" by the = way...except where my "ex" in concerned....I still have a 13 yr. old at = home. I am a bit advocate of those who can "afford" to be out doing = so. Some people don't feel they can be afforded that leisure for = professional and/or child custody reasons. And sadly, as long as so few = of us feel the fear of being "out" and vocal about our orientation (or = chosen love-style if you so choose to see it that way), we will remain = an oddity, "kinky" and "alternative" rather than seen as significant in = numbers....and "just another way to make a family". So those folks who = feel they can be open, out and transparent, and act on it, I say "by all = means do!!!", "yay!" and "thank you!"=20 *ON THE OTHER HAND* - I do not have a sense of this discussion list = being so much a source for poly-awareness promotion and social change = activism. We may talk about those aspects as issues on our minds, but I = don't see it as a reliable or desirable resource for promoting = poly-awareness. I see this list-serve primarily as a *support group* = for those in (and or curious about) the inner workings of = poly-relationships. As such it is a place where people might post very = sensitive, intimate, personal feelings, thoughts and dilemmas; for the = intention of seeking support and the perspective of other folks. They = may come to this list to post something they need support from the group = in processing, *before* they go to their partners. While processing it = here, they may vent some ugly feelings in ways that could be most = unhelpful in their actual situation, as a means to clear out the overly = angsty and dramatic cobwebs. This way, when they get back to their = partners about these things, they have vented the hard/harsh/scattered = emotional stuff here, and are then much more calm and centered. My = concern isn't anonymity. My concern is holding what people share here = as a sacred trust....a sacred trust that serves their own inner process = in a manner that brings them to a better way of delivery when they = finally finish processing here, and are ready to speak to their partners = directly. If anyone is really so curious or desiring to understand = those intimate dynamics more, they can simply join the group. I also = realize anyone can say anything, use all the right buzz words, and = become a member. So consider making the group private like using a = condom. It can't and doesn't prevent the spread of all diseases, but it = still certainly cuts the likelihood of the risks down, comparatively = speaking. Now suppose you want to make folks more aware of UU congregations as a = potentially less dogmatic spiritual home for people seeking such. Would = you offer them carefully considered, generally agreed upon, wordsmithed = links and other resources, or would you offer them the transcripts of a = spiritual sharing (or relationship dynamics, or sexual orientation, etc. = ) *support group* from your church? My guess is not only would you not = do that, but that it would be considered a gross violation of the trust = people offer when utilizing that support group. This is how I see this = discussion list...as a support group for hashing through poly-issues. = It seems to me UUPA has much better resources to offer in the way of = poly-awareness building and poly-rights activism, than the personal = musings, issues and dilemmas that typically come up on poly-discussion = lists. For these reasons I feel it most appropriate that the posts to this list = be kept as private as such venues allow. Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and planning to move to Hinsdale, NH....some = time within the next 6 months (hopefully)!! Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow = to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Michael Rios=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Friday, August 28, 2009 9:46 PM Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux I honestly don't see how an e-list is going to "raise awareness" of = anyone who isn't already interested in polyamory-- and if they are, there are = lots better ways to learn about it than whatever is randomly being posted = here. A UUPoly website, with appropriate articles, links, etc., would be = *far* more effective than keeping the archives of this list public. If = there are threads from this list that are particularly illuminating, they could = be posted on the website as well (after asking permission of the = participants, of course). =20 As has been pointed out, all anyone has to do who is interested in the archives is to join the list. Keeping them private just avoids = "drive-by" searches by random people who probably don't even know what they are searching at first. I see this a much more of a support list for UU polyfolk, and as such, = think the archives should be private. Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sat Aug 29 10:13:15 2009 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7TEC9KW016951 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:13:15 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP500EK662VKZO9@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sat, 29 Aug 2009 09:11:24 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <3C719ECC7C5646BCB12025A904B924A3@HamsaPC> From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <978165.73015.qm@web112406.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> <350b0c2a0908281813h51dcb3nb8127534e34f3411@mail.gmail.com> <30691AC1375343AC8F0C6B653DAD22AE@MVRLENOVO> In-reply-to: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:13:15 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 10:11:23 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:13:15 -0000 correction on 2 typos -=20 "I am a * bit* advocate of those who can "afford" to be out doing so." That should be *big*...not "bit". =20 "And sadly, as long as so *few* of us feel the fear of being "out" and = vocal about our orientation (or chosen love-style if you so choose to = see it that way), we will remain an oddity...." =20 That should read, "....as long as so *many* of us feel the fear....." Tara Shakti-Ma )O( From dwighternest@gmail.com Sun Aug 30 07:29:01 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f223.google.com (mail-gx0-f223.google.com [209.85.217.223]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7UBT1j4031837 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:29:01 -0400 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so4334623gxk.20 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:28:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.12 with SMTP id 12mr5265896yba.148.1251631739603; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:28:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5f66bff30908300428u4afc05cbhc89bb37fa3ad24ff@mail.gmail.com> From: "Dwight A. Ernest" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id n7UBT1j4031837 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:28:59 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:29:01 -0000 Hi, Tara, I think you misunderstand. It is indeed technically very easy to switch the list archives from public to private. It is however very hard to edit the archives to remove individual posts to expunge all evidence of participation as some who hve had second thoughts have from time to time requested. -Dwight On 2009-08-29, Tara Shakti-Ma wrote: > Hi Dwight: > > I'm just getting back from some adventures, and just saw this. All the > lists I own/moderate are private....archives are not visible to non-members > and everyone must give a lucid and relevant reason to join. In the Yahoo > format this is just a couple of clicks to accomplish. I'm sorry to hear > that to make that transition for this list would be so difficult. However, > my vote, if that is what you're asking for, is "private". > > Namaste': > Tara Shakti-Ma )O( > > ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and planning to move to Hinsdale, NH....some time > within the next 6 months (hopefully)!! > > Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an > internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm > inclined poly-folk. > > Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow to > All of Life. > > © Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dwight A. Ernest > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 8:11 AM > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux > > > Those of us who moderate or manage the list from time to time receive > notes > from folks asking us to expunge evidence of their having been participants > here. (List archives get indexed by search engines like Google, of course, > because, as noted in the disclaimer which appears on every message, the > list > archives are public. However, the list of members' email addresses is > private, so if you just receive and never send, no such publicly-indexed > evidence will exist.) > While this expunging is technically possible, the process is onerous > because > it's complicated and time-consuming. It also raises some ethical dilemmas, > such as how to handle others' quoting of the requester's content in their > own responses. > > So I put the question to you all, dear fellow manager/moderators, and to > you > as well, dear contributors: Should we make the archives private? > > -Dwight Ernest > Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage > (We are looking for neighbors!) > Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 > dwighternest@gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com From dwighternest@gmail.com Sun Aug 30 07:35:16 2009 Received: from mail-yw0-f196.google.com (mail-yw0-f196.google.com [209.85.211.196]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7UBZG1A032599 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:35:16 -0400 Received: by ywh34 with SMTP id 34so5117476ywh.6 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.88.18 with SMTP id q18mr5271076ybl.307.1251632113757; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 04:35:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090827.195422.19523.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20090827.195422.19523.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5f66bff30908300435r7b116460yb32d5a8f5e0b0b70@mail.gmail.com> From: "Dwight A. Ernest" To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Tony votes private X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:35:16 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 07:35:13 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 11:35:16 -0000 The list archives have (to the best of my recollection) never been private (which is why we remind people of that in the footer of every posting to the list). On 2009-08-27, tbrumfie@juno.com wrote: > I would prefer they stay private. > > Tony > > ____________________________________________________________ > Medical Insurance Quotes > Compare medical insurance companies and save money now. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=nhXNx68ofz0fFnUtMwD2KQAAJ1CVaJYuyMf2MIn3e7hgX9iaAAQAAAAFAAAAAJqZGT4AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAElA2AAAAAA== > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > -- -Dwight Ernest Mosaic Commons Cohousing in Sawyer Hill Ecovillage (We are looking for neighbors!) Berlin MA USA +1.860.532.0650 dwighternest@gmail.com From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sun Aug 30 09:51:38 2009 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7UDoSod008001 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:51:38 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP600EXCZQPKZ9E@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:49:38 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <5f66bff30908230511sb7a728fxe79d254bde3e40f0@mail.gmail.com> <5f66bff30908300428u4afc05cbhc89bb37fa3ad24ff@mail.gmail.com> In-reply-to: <5f66bff30908300428u4afc05cbhc89bb37fa3ad24ff@mail.gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:51:38 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:49:45 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:51:38 -0000 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dwight A. Ernest=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 7:28 AM Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux Hi, Tara, I think you misunderstand. It is indeed technically very easy to switch the list archives from public to private. It is however very hard to edit the archives to remove individual posts to expunge all evidence of participation as some who hve had second thoughts have from time to time requested. -Dwight Ah, yes....I did misunderstand that part. Another reason, in my = opinion to keep the archives private by default. - T From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Sun Aug 30 09:56:09 2009 Received: from vms173017pub.verizon.net (vms173017pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.17]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7UDt3Fk008712 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:56:09 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173017.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP6000SCZYARRXF@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 08:54:16 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <18641288DD9A4A81BCC60FBBE2139AA7@HamsaPC> From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> In-reply-to: <8CBF212AD0B903F-874-332A@webmail-mf03.sysops.aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:56:09 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 09:54:18 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 13:56:09 -0000 Hey...."my rap name is Alex".....I thought this was a hoot. Can I share = it with the Expansive Loving list as is? Peace: Tara Shakti-Ma )O( Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: greenearthal@aol.com=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 10:11 AM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Different Kind of Cat lyrics So, I'm a rapper. And a polyamorous person. I never really had any = intention of becoming a "polyamorous rapper", but a few months ago my friend and = bandmate told me that someone in one of our audiences found me attractive... = and I was very appreciative of that, just so long as she understood that I was = "a different kind of cat." And that phrase stuck with me and stuck with = me and then lyrics started pouring? out of my brain and eventually I had = written this.=20 I have no music for it.? I've just started letting people see it.?=20 Different Kind of Cat by My Rap Name is Alex June.29.2009 - August.20.2009 Lemme be up front, I don't like to front I'm not the type of cat that just says what you want I'm poly, I'm so poly there is no doubt And I'm out, I'm so out it's sump'n I shout about Show me around and try concealing my views and the next thing you know I'm talkin poly on the news It's in all of my books, in my art, and my songs I'll tell anyone who asks; I don't think it's wrong HK revealed life could be this way one day And I like it... and It's how I'm gonna stay. I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at I'm not the kinda cat that would read your email I'm not gonna cyberstalk you whatever that entails If you're lookin for a challenge in me: EPIC FAIL but if you're into honesty well then let's set sail You meet at guy at a party we're at; I give you space I meet a lady at a party we're at; want a taste? just kidding, wink, wink, nudge, nudge, smiley face Smiley go slow? o-k, we go at your pace But I gotta be me and you gotta be you So if my girlfriend's other boyfriend has a chalice tattoo that's how he does he and what's that to you? that's how we do we because we think that's cool I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but still it's where I'm at I'm straight edge and square, I don't want no beer I don't own no car, and don't really care When last I ate meat: The year was 94 I'm the most church goin Atheist you ever saw Clothing optional? Sure! Lets get raw First I got some big shoes to remove. Need->Say->More? I confess to being strange, and to having a brain And in many ways I am totally plain Not into games, won't live life in shame so holler if you hear me if you feel the same touch me in the morning, but don't walk away we'll have tomorrow, today AND yesterday okay I'm a different kind of cat, I'm just a different kind of cat And I'm thanking you for thinking thoughts that I am all o dat But yo, just so you know I am a different kind of cat And you can hate the way I live my life but that's just where I'm at www.MyRapNameIsAlex.com ------------- It's kinda 1 part awareness campaign : 1 part desperate personals ad : 1 part = caution tape "monogamous people beware!" _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From Greenearthal@aol.com Sun Aug 30 12:53:53 2009 Received: from imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (imr-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.206.39]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7UGqkcT019649 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:53:52 -0400 Received: from imo-da04.mx.aol.com (imo-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.202]) by imr-ma01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7UGqjqw031536 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:45 -0400 Received: from Greenearthal@aol.com by imo-da04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.d19.47f884c6 (45328) for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com [64.12.95.103]) by cia-mc05.mx.aol.com (v124.15) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMC054-b2ca4a9aae562c5; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:41 -0400 Received: from webmail-m011 (webmail-m011.sim.aol.com [64.12.101.95]) by smtprly-me02.mx.aol.com (v125.7) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYME024-b2ca4a9aae562c5; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:38 -0400 References: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-AOL-IP: 71.186.209.168 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: greenearthal@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 44148-STANDARD Received: from 71.186.209.168 by webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com (64.12.101.95) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:38 -0400 Message-Id: <8CBF7A96A92CA3F-30D4-29D32@webmail-m011.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: Greenearthal@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Sure! X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:53:58 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 12:52:38 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:53:58 -0000 Certainly.? Thanks.? :) -Alex (, My Rap Name is) Hey...."my rap name is Alex".....I thought this was a hoot. Can I share it with the Expansive Loving list as is? Peace: Tara Shakti-Ma )O( From protection.1952@gmail.com Sun Aug 30 20:42:20 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f219.google.com (mail-ew0-f219.google.com [209.85.219.219]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7V0gJOc013628 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:42:20 -0400 Received: by ewy19 with SMTP id 19so4395320ewy.20 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.211.128.9 with SMTP id f9mr4499817ebn.93.1251679337222; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 17:42:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <52f0ae2b0908301742w1d3c9cdp2209eb73dcc4c9e@mail.gmail.com> From: Crawford To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Newbie here.... X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:42:20 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:42:17 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:42:20 -0000 I have always wanted to be SOOOO close and yet not being someone's 'everything', all the time... does that make sense? P London, Ontario, Canada From JasmineGld@aol.com Sun Aug 30 20:52:27 2009 Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com (imr-da04.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.146]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7V0pLp5014604 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:52:27 -0400 Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id n7V0pASf019127 for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:51:10 -0400 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.c7b.5c8630d4 (29679) for ; Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:51:09 -0400 (EDT) From: JasmineGld@aol.com Message-ID: To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:52:27 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 20:51:08 EDT X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 00:52:27 -0000 In a message dated 8/29/2009 10:02:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dakinitara@tantrikapath.com writes: > *ON THE OTHER HAND* - I do not have a sense of > this discussion list being so much a source for > poly-awareness promotion and social change activism. And yet, this is precisely what poly UUs need, if we are to increase the acceptance of polyamorous individuals and families in UU congregations and provide educational resources to religious professionals and lay leaders. One website and nine trustees cannot accomplish all that work by ourselves. It's simply not possible. In order to accomplish the work that was originally envisioned by the creators of UUPoly, we require a large network of poly UUs and UU allies throughout the Association speaking up visibly within our congregations and districts, leading religious education programs about polyamory, and consistently doing the work of the congregation while living quietly, yet visibly, poly lives. These are the things that create change. Networks such as these require their own support system -- support for the work we doing. * How did you first approach your minister/ director of religious education? * How did you ask for non-discrimination policy to include polys? * How did you deal with a nervous teacher? * How did you (fill in the blank)? > We may talk about those aspects as issues on > our minds, but I don't see it as a reliable or desirable > resource for promoting poly-awareness. On the contrary, it is the single most effective tool we have. One person telling another person, "This is how it worked (or didn't work) for me, and this is what I would have done differently." One person telling another person, "Yes, I really said all that out loud in my congregation, and then they elected me to the Board." > I see this list-serve primarily as a *support group* for those > in (and or curious about) the inner workings of > poly-relationships. Why? The Internet has hundreds of support groups for general discussion about polyamory, most of which are suitable for disclosing sensitive personal details. Why do we need yet one more just exactly like all those hundreds of others? If UUPoly devolves from its intended purpose of networking for the purposes I described above into just one more poly support group, we will lose a powerful tool in our work toward making awareness and educational resources widely available to all UUs. Keeping the archives public serves several purposes. One of the purposes is transparency -- As we network, anyone can watch what we're doing and see for themselves what we are "really up to"... and maybe they don't WANT to subscribe to the list. It also serves to keep us on our toes. If people might be watching, we will behave ourselves better--at least I hope we will. It will make us think twice, make us improve ourselves. And lastly, it will remind us to think twice about posting too many details about personal issues on a list whose primary purpose is networking to create change. Keep us on topic at least a little bit. Public archives was one of the things about UUPoly that impressed me -- awed me -- from the very beginning, when I watched UUPoly form, when I wasn't a UU yet. The commitment to transparency and the boldness of spirit it required called to a very deep place in my soul. Jasmine **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=115&bcd =JulystepsfooterNO115) From packanimal12@yahoo.com Mon Aug 31 06:41:48 2009 Received: from n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com (n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.206.160]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id n7VAegCr014132 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 06:41:48 -0400 Received: from [68.142.200.227] by n21.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 10:40:42 -0000 Received: from [68.142.201.65] by t8.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 10:40:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 31 Aug 2009 10:40:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 865824.13977.bm@omp417.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 36708 invoked by uid 60001); 31 Aug 2009 10:40:41 -0000 Message-ID: <386706.26275.qm@web111906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: ENdn4TAVM1mUER7CRzYxQJk6HwjWKGKt6oENqbF6ZbHnDO7GT18ZkzTXvAHQeaAJUIpTKpByK01wiHlQZrwujK2yIitBrdJxoYsYeHPSMXnCs.CqXxrqsIkj3vqLEkVfLnqmb4x.cOIaaHJq4k7xRaGIB6qHuONptsSR.fHc.E3iKVH2bVDutBPgdO94qmtUoD3ZyWumACwtbUJ2KLN3EIkIxc_gryeA44iIvYdpGG4U7bLz0V2ztEEGpYIn Received: from [76.106.49.198] by web111906.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:40:41 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/6.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.7.338.2 From: packanimal12 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 03:40:41 -0700 (PDT) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:41:49 -0000 Very new to list opinion... Thanks Jasmine - This is is why I joined this list just recently.=A0 My min= ister approached me with the name of a new person who was interested in sta= rting a discussion group on polyamory.=A0 I am active in the congregation a= nd might be able to help.=A0 I am interested in the challenge of getting so= me people together to discuss polyamory and whether or not everyone would f= eel welcome in our congregation.=A0 I am working through different approach= es in my head.=A0 We are very "welcoming", and yet apparently when asked to= include polyamory in the statement years back people were not so welcoming= , I have to rock that boat! I have not read a single archive post, because although this all interests= me I have not had the time.=A0 But from what I understand if I am a member= I can read them even if private?=A0 I would probably not read the archives= without being a member of the list quite honestly. Even given my interest in this list, I would say private sounds like what m= ay be necessary.=A0 If I want to read honest input about my religion and it= s journey to better acceptance, that may just be the best way.=A0 Personall= y, thisi s about all of the personal details I would post to such a large = list regardless, but if private/public limits good discussion go private.= =A0=20 I have been around UUs long enough to know that everyone having a voice can= be frustrating.=A0 It is a necessary frustration, but I am typically the o= ne that wants a board decision.=A0 So I do not "vote" for private, I expres= s my feelings about it in hopes the always elusive consensus may be found := ) Lisa --- On Mon, 8/31/09, JasmineGld@aol.com wrote: From: JasmineGld@aol.com Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Date: Monday, August 31, 2009, 12:51 AM In a message dated 8/29/2009 10:02:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,=A0=20 dakinitara@tantrikapath.com writes: > *ON THE OTHER HAND* - I do not have a sense of=20 > this discussion list being so much a source for=20 > poly-awareness promotion and social change activism.=A0=20 =20 And yet, this is precisely what poly UUs need, if we are to increase the=A0= =20 acceptance of polyamorous individuals and families in UU congregations and= =A0=20 provide educational resources to religious professionals and lay leaders. O= ne=20 website and nine trustees cannot accomplish all that work by ourselves.=20 It's=A0 simply not possible. In order to accomplish the work that was origi= nally=20 envisioned by the creators of UUPoly, we require a large network of poly= =20 UUs and=A0 UU allies throughout the Association speaking up visibly within = our=A0=20 congregations and districts, leading religious education programs about=A0= =20 polyamory, and consistently doing the work of the congregation while living= =A0=20 quietly, yet visibly, poly lives. These are the things that create change.= =A0=20 Networks such as these require their own support system -- support for the= =20 work=A0 we doing.=20 =20 * How did you first approach your minister/ director of religious=A0=20 education?=20 =20 * How did you ask for non-discrimination policy to include=A0 polys? * How did you deal with a nervous teacher?=20 * How did you (fill in the blank)?=20 =20 > We may talk about those aspects as issues on=20 > our minds, but I don't see it as a reliable or desirable=20 > resource for promoting poly-awareness.=A0=20 =20 On the contrary, it is the single most effective tool we have. One person= =A0=20 telling another person, "This is how it worked (or didn't work) for me, and= =20 this=A0 is what I would have done differently." One person telling another= =20 person, "Yes,=A0 I really said all that out loud in my congregation, and th= en=20 they elected me to=A0 the Board."=20 =20 > I see this list-serve primarily as a *support group* for those=20 > in (and or curious about) the inner workings of=20 > poly-relationships.=A0=20 =20 Why? The Internet has hundreds of support groups for general discussion=A0= =20 about polyamory, most of which are suitable for disclosing sensitive person= al=A0=20 details. Why do we need yet one more just exactly like all those hundreds= =20 of=A0 others?=20 =20 If UUPoly devolves from its intended purpose of networking for the purposes= =20 I described above into just one more poly support group, we will lose a=20 powerful=A0 tool in our work toward making awareness and educational resour= ces=20 widely=A0 available to all UUs.=20 =20 Keeping the archives public serves several purposes. One of the purposes is= =20 transparency -- As we network, anyone can watch what we're doing and see= =20 for=A0 themselves what we are "really up to"... and maybe they don't WANT t= o=A0=20 subscribe to the list. It also serves to keep us on our toes. If people mig= ht=20 be=A0 watching, we will behave ourselves better--at least I hope we will. I= t=20 will make=A0 us think twice, make us improve ourselves. And lastly, it will= =20 remind us to=A0 think twice about posting too many details about personal i= ssues=20 on a list=A0 whose primary purpose is networking to create change. Keep us = on=20 topic at least=A0 a little bit.=20 =20 Public archives was one of the things about UUPoly that impressed me --=A0= =20 awed me -- from the very beginning, when I watched UUPoly form, when I wasn= 't=20 a=A0 UU yet. The commitment to transparency and the boldness of spirit it= =20 required=A0 called to a very deep place in my soul.=20 =20 Jasmine=20 =20 =20 **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2 easy= =20 steps!=20 (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222846709x1201493018/aol?redir=3D= http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=3D668072&hmpgID=3D115&bc= d =3DJulystepsfooterNO115) _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l =0A=0A=0A From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Mon Aug 31 09:39:36 2009 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7VDcUPk024208 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:39:36 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP800EN1TUMTSC3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 08:37:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: <46349E25D89548C9B88F51A3A11EFEF2@HamsaPC> From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: In-reply-to: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:39:36 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:37:47 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 13:39:36 -0000 Hi Jasmine: I'm finding myself agreeing with much of what you're saying here, and = remembering that after all this list is named UUs for Poly Awareness (?? = or something close to that). However, from the start of my joining = there have been a number of very personally oriented posts, so I figured = the "awareness" was...well, just the name that came up, but with no = particular specific intent to actually only be for awareness "work". What I hear you supporting is the concept of this list as a place for = advocacy and awareness work above all else. Perhaps that emphasis has = been lost on me, in my default understanding that this list was meant = more as a support for UUs (and UU-friendlies) who simply happen have = the orientation of being poly in common. =20 As a member of Friends, I see a number of parallels to your concerns as = they relate to wanting to actually support a "movement" that promotes = inclusion of poly-folk into the common rituals and official statements = of support issued by UU congregations, as well as the wider UU body. Among Friends (aka Quakers...not our preferred name btw), much progress = has occurred in not only the acceptance, but also the embracing ("taking = under the care of the Meeting") of same sex unions. A bit over a year = ago my Monthly (local) Meeting revised it's "Minute of Support of Same = Sex Unions". I think they decided to morph it from being a separate = statement of support of same sex unions, to a more inclusive one which = acknowledges and embraces *any* committed sexual-loving union = (regardless of the gender of the parties involved). Very nice actually. = However, while I noticed the new wording was more expansive and = inclusive, it continued to make reference to a commitment "between 2 = adults". At the time I didn't have the time or energy to engage in the = consensus process in a manner I knew would be bringing an abruptly new = twist to the statement. When the time is right, and the pieces seem to = be in place, we can request it be revisited and potentially recrafted to = include *any* committed relationship regardless of gender *or* number of = people involved. A discussion group was created for "Poly Quakers", and = over the past year or so we've just started to make ourselves more = visible to the wider Friends community. I feel UUs are ahead of us in = organizing in this regard. =20 So from that point of relative common ground, my response to the rest of = what you said is interspersed below.... ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JasmineGld@aol.com=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2009 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux In a message dated 8/29/2009 10:02:16 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, =20 dakinitara@tantrikapath.com writes: >> *ON THE OTHER HAND* - I do not have a sense of=20 >> this discussion list being so much a source for=20 >> poly-awareness promotion and social change activism. =20 =20 >And yet, this is precisely what poly UUs need, if we are to increase = the =20 acceptance of polyamorous individuals and families in UU congregations = and =20 provide educational resources to religious professionals and lay = leaders. One=20 website and nine trustees cannot accomplish all that work by = ourselves.=20 It's simply not possible. In order to accomplish the work that was = originally=20 envisioned by the creators of UUPoly, we require a large network of = poly=20 UUs and UU allies throughout the Association speaking up visibly = within our =20 congregations and districts, leading religious education programs = about =20 polyamory, and consistently doing the work of the congregation while = living =20 quietly, yet visibly, poly lives. These are the things that create = change. =20 Networks such as these require their own support system -- support for = the=20 work we doing.=20 =20 >* How did you first approach your minister/ director of religious =20 education?=20 =20 >* How did you ask for non-discrimination policy to include polys? >* How did you deal with a nervous teacher?=20 >* How did you (fill in the blank)?=20 I totally grok all this. This all seems appropriate for a list that = clearly states it's intent as a discussion group is strictly for the = purpose of education and advocacy work. I wonder if I missed that in = the fine print. At any rate, what I understand you to be saying is that = while there is a resource for advocacy and education efforts (a web = site?), you feel that it in and of itself does not sufficiently convey = the depth and breadth of the issue as an archive of "real life" issues = discussions can. This poses a dilemma for those who have some real = life personal issues they want to post, and do not want them to be = fodder for advocacy or awareness work....they simply want support in = what at present feels to them to be a private issue. What I hear from = many poly-folk is that they don't care to be a poly-posterchild or have = being an activist foisted upon them via "outing by default"...they're = simply trying to get their own house in order at the moment. I see 2 = distinct (though clearly not unrelated) interests/concerns here. So...how to possibly meet both needs? =20 > >We may talk about those aspects as issues on=20 >> our minds, but I don't see it as a reliable or desirable=20 > >resource for promoting poly-awareness. =20 =20 >On the contrary, it is the single most effective tool we have. One = person =20 telling another person, "This is how it worked (or didn't work) for = me, and=20 this is what I would have done differently." One person telling = another=20 person, "Yes, I really said all that out loud in my congregation, and = then=20 they elected me to the Board."=20 Oh yes!....I can understand this for advocacy work....but what about = for more personal life situations? The example you site is certainly = not one requiring concerns for privacy. But what about those folks who = are simply trying to figure things out...where privacy may be a very = real issue? As some poly-folk have said, they simply do not want to be = conscripted by default into being an activist just because they're poly. =20 >> I see this list-serve primarily as a *support group* for those=20 >> in (and or curious about) the inner workings of=20 >> poly-relationships. =20 =20 >Why? The Internet has hundreds of support groups for general = discussion =20 about polyamory, most of which are suitable for disclosing sensitive = personal =20 details. Why do we need yet one more just exactly like all those = hundreds=20 of others?=20 Hey :-) ....I'm not saying that *I need* this list to be = anything...except perhaps clear in what it's intent is...which I feel is = what's causing the debate/confusion over whether this list should be = private vs. public. Is it purely for activism and = education?.....support?....both? If both, how can the needs of both = interests be met sufficiently? A little crumb for consideration I want = to throw in is this - While we can all find poly-fellowship and support = on a variety of other lists (I agree), I'm imagining that just like = Poly-Friends, there are Poly-UUs who really want to find support from = within their intentional spiritual family, and at present that support = is about very personal issues, and not issues around their congregation = and being an activist. =20 =20 >If UUPoly devolves from its intended purpose of networking for the = purposes I described above into just one more poly support group, we = will lose a powerful tool in our work toward making awareness and = educational resources widely available to all UUs.=20 And herein lies the rub and the possibly need for further = clarification. If this list's intended purpose was originally and = forever for serving education and advocacy work, then certainly = conversation should remain in that vein and likely remain open and = transparent. What awareness and educational tools are available via = accessing the archives of the discussions that occur here? Is there a = clear, user-friendly way that one would find them? Wouldn't those needs = be better served on a web page that provided links to the relevant = documents? If on the other hand this list has felt inclined to expand = it's purpose to be also a support group - about serving the personal, = real life, intimate dilemmas and questions people have about living = polyamorously, then I imagine that privacy would serve that intent = better. So my question remains, how can this list serve both purposes = and satisfy both? Or can't it? Maybe was never intended to??? =20 >Keeping the archives public serves several purposes. One of the = purposes is transparency -- As we network, anyone can watch what we're = doing and see for themselves what we are "really up to"... and maybe = they don't WANT to subscribe to the list. It also serves to keep us on = our toes. If people might be watching, we will behave ourselves = better--at least I hope we will. It will make us think twice, make us = improve ourselves. And lastly, it will remind us to think twice about = posting too many details about personal issues on a list whose primary = purpose is networking to create change. Keep us on topic at least a = little bit. And I can totally grok all this. I think you've hit a key point here. = I say this as an "outsider"...as a spiritually-inclined, but not UU, = poly-folk. When I found this list I understood it to be a list for = folks with a somewhat similar eclectic spiritual orientation, in = addition to being poly. I've seen organizational and activism oriented = posts and discussions come through, but my over-all sense was that this = is ultimately a support resource. If indeed this list's primary = purpose is activism, then that changes the whole landscape of my = thoughts and opinion about public vs. private archives. So I suppose my ultimate question out of all this then is....What is = the current official purpose of this list? Maybe a number of us have = not "grokked in fullness" that this indeed is not a support resource for = personal issues, but rather a networking resource of poly-activists in = creating more acceptance within UU structures. If this is indeed the = official purpose of this list, then I don't see the value of keeping the = archives private. Perhaps the 2 purposes might be better served if = this list more boldly reclaimed it's original purpose (as you state it = to be), and a second list be started, perhaps with a name such as = "UUPolys- personal discussions".=20 I'm not being a wise-ass here....I'm totally resonating with your = concerns...while also suggesting that the original purpose and clarity = may have gotten lost over time by the thrust of a co-existing need for a = space for UUs (and UU-friendlies) to share and seek support in = like-spirited company on very personal and somewhat private = "non-activist" matters.=20 This ends my brain spill for the moment :-) Tara From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Mon Aug 31 10:21:41 2009 Received: from vms173019pub.verizon.net (vms173019pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.19]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7VEKYTG027127 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:21:40 -0400 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.53.203]) by vms173019.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP800IWPVT6MYR3@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:19:56 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Fw: Expansive Loving celebrates it's first year this coming Sept. 9 X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:21:41 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:20:07 -0400 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:21:41 -0000 Dear Poly Folk: On Sept. 9th, the online poly discussion group = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ will be celebrating it's = first year. Members of the group are being invited to share some of the = ways participating have impacted their perspectives and experiences. At this time we would also like to make a particular effort to invite = other like-spirited folks to come and join us as well. Our homepage = reads as follows -=20 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Expansive Loving" is for those interested in and/or practicing = Polyamory (multiple sexual-loving relationships with the full knowledge = and consent of all involved), with spirituality and Sacred Love as the = grounding for their life and relationships. Poly-folk with an interest = in spiritual polyamory, spiritual-sexual integration, creating = sexuality-positive culture, living consciously and in touch with the = Sacred, the Tantric/Taoist and Earth-based paths, eco-action and social = action/change may find this group of particular interest.=20 We welcome members from all spiritual paths without judgment or debate = (regarding those paths). We are here to share from and support each = other in our intention to engage in conscious loving from a deep heart = space.=20 Our discussions include concepts such as "transparency", "non-violent = communication", information on sexual health and healing, personal = growth and self-healing, models and ideas around community building, = sexual rights advocacy and "considerate autonomy"/non-agreement = polyamory. This group serves world-wide. No matter where you live, you are welcome = to join. As well as welcoming all spiritual orientations, we warmly = welcome all sexual and gender preferences (or lack thereof), and all = those who otherwise self-identify as LGBTQ. The same holds true = regardless of race, ethnicity, "Life-style"/Love-style, marital status = or ability difference. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In less than one year we've grown to 554 members...and still growing, of = course. Our lowest posting month was Jan. '09 at 223 posts, and our = highest posting month was Oct. '08 at 1134 (this was during a massive = influx of new members). Over all, our average monthly posting rate is = around 593. =20 We welcome you to come and join in the discussion. =20 Please feel free to share this invitation with your local poly-groups. Peace: =20 Tara Shakti-Ma )O( ....in Lancaster Co. PA, and planning to move to Hinsdale, NH....some = time within the next 6 months (hopefully)!! Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - an = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. =20 =20 Love and Gratitude are the seeds of Joy. Grace flows freely when I bow = to All of Life. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti 2009 From earthfather@cfnc.us Mon Aug 31 10:40:02 2009 Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id n7VEct6v028932 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 10:40:01 -0400 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([70.58.69.19]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KP800HPDWNAH157@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:38:07 -0500 (CDT) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <46349E25D89548C9B88F51A3A11EFEF2@HamsaPC> Message-id: <97CE8422CD8A4884943674B131DE53BF@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <46349E25D89548C9B88F51A3A11EFEF2@HamsaPC> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AcoqQIHzHO9Y5Pd9QOOLrkbPq2Gg3QABU5tQ Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Public Archives Redux X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:40:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 07:37:59 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:40:02 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Tara Shakti-Ma > > Hi Jasmine: > What I hear you supporting is the concept of this list as a > place for advocacy and awareness work above all else. > Perhaps that emphasis has been lost on me, in my default > understanding that this list was meant more as a support for > UUs (and UU-friendlies) who simply happen have the > orientation of being poly in common. > I see 2 distinct (though clearly not unrelated) interests/concerns here. > > So...how to possibly meet both needs? > > >> I see this list-serve primarily as a *support group* for those > >> in (and or curious about) the inner workings of > >> poly-relationships. > >If UUPoly devolves from its intended purpose of networking > for the purposes I described above into just one more poly > support group, we will lose a powerful tool in our work > toward making awareness and educational resources widely > available to all UUs. I am still unconvinced that *anyone* who isn't a subscriber has experienced the archives as a powerful tool, or that they spread positive awareness in any way. It would be nice if they did, but that's not the way the internet normally works. If I want to find out about some organization, movement, or concept, even if archives come up on a google search, I usually skip them in favor of a more organized website, blog, or other format that has *far* less irrelevant stuff. > And herein lies the rub and the possibly need for further > clarification. If this list's intended purpose was > originally and forever for serving education and advocacy > work, then certainly conversation should remain in that vein > and likely remain open and transparent. What awareness and > educational tools are available via accessing the archives of > the discussions that occur here? Is there a clear, > user-friendly way that one would find them? Wouldn't those > needs be better served on a web page that provided links to > the relevant documents? I had suggested this before. 90% or more (maybe 99%) of the archives are duplicative or irrelevant to someone outside the list trying to learn about UUPoly. If there are valuable threads, get permission from the authors and post them on the website. > If on the other hand this list has > felt inclined to expand it's purpose to be also a support > group - about serving the personal, real life, intimate > dilemmas and questions people have about living > polyamorously, then I imagine that privacy would serve that > intent better. So my question remains, how can this list > serve both purposes and satisfy both? Or can't it? Maybe > was never intended to??? > > > >Keeping the archives public serves several purposes. One > of the purposes is transparency -- As we network, anyone can > watch what we're doing and see for themselves what we are > "really up to"... and maybe they don't WANT to subscribe to > the list. It also serves to keep us on our toes. If people > might be watching, we will behave ourselves better--at least > I hope we will. Wow. That is a formula for killing a lot of otherwise valuable discussion, to my mind. On a list like this, I expect a relatively sympathetic audience; I'm not as careful to phrase things as precisely as I might in a more public venue, and there are topics that I am confused about that I wouldn't want thrown in my face at a later time by someone not in my "tribe". > It will make us think twice, make us improve > ourselves. And lastly, it will remind us to think twice about > posting too many details about personal issues on a list > whose primary purpose is networking to create change. Keep us > on topic at least a little bit. I agree-- it would have an overall chilling effect on the range of topics covered. > If > indeed this list's primary purpose is activism, then that > changes the whole landscape of my thoughts and opinion about > public vs. private archives. I'm not so sure about that. Even if the only purpose of this list is activism, that activism would be far better served by using the list for "rough drafts" (with private archives), and putting finished products on the website. When I am writing a document for public consumption, it frequently happens that I read it over later, or someone else reads it, and realizes that I said something in a way that could be badly misinterpreted. At the very least, there will be issues addressed incompletely or unclearly. To my mind, if public archives are part of the activism and public education, then none of us should post anything that isn't in a fully edited, final draft, ready-for-publication state. > Perhaps the 2 purposes might > be better served if this list more boldly reclaimed it's > original purpose (as you state it to be), and a second list > be started, perhaps with a name such as "UUPolys- personal > discussions". > > I'm not being a wise-ass here....I'm totally resonating > with your concerns...while also suggesting that the original > purpose and clarity may have gotten lost over time by the > thrust of a co-existing need for a space for UUs (and > UU-friendlies) to share and seek support in like-spirited > company on very personal and somewhat private "non-activist" matters. I'm involved with several groups that have parallel lists: XX-activism and XX-support. It may be appropriate to do that here as well. Michael Rios