From haslamk@gmail.com Tue Dec 1 18:21:27 2009 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com (mail-yx0-f189.google.com [209.85.210.189]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB1NLRUD000471 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:21:27 -0500 Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so4428099yxe.10 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:21:26 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.151.30 with SMTP id d30mr1757752ano.135.1259709685866; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:21:25 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> From: Ken Haslam To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:21:27 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:21:25 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:21:27 -0000 This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it still alive or have I been excommunicated? Ken Haslam -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Bysshe Shelley From greystone.house@pacbell.net Tue Dec 1 18:34:22 2009 Received: from smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.14.111]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB1NXFmN001527 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:34:22 -0500 Received: (qmail 64135 invoked from network); 1 Dec 2009 23:33:15 -0000 Received: from adsl-75-18-219-217.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net (greystone.house@75.18.219.217 with login) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 01 Dec 2009 15:33:14 -0800 PST X-Yahoo-SMTP: xS6r5G6swBDFMM5aX5w3GvF6PVrg7BsZUjqbfT16y5gki9exndB1DA-- X-YMail-OSG: kFo8.rsVM1lc9E3mLJU7PydtfVxFGDYfCKG8ZaaA3d3x4jyYnqariyfnJZDmnlS_UMCqQRrWO9YEmAlv5X4_5bshr6hL9okY.RVrZcTMcvEVbtCI3VQiU13WyTbtUf54CRT5U27zO_TQvGrIdvCPbVwtZ6nVMY4kDTChFQ.4e0rQD8RXUdOF9E0tLk.t4x3M03uVhLAzgC5CAXEDPis1qVYb6tuhzhTXBeqdz11O_6FlKbWIWpb4AVkE5WwUagbf_5B25EkA91xrzPorId5Xh2PTvdVcykTHYg-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: From: "Emily M.-R. B." To: References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Greystone House MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:34:22 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:33:14 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:34:22 -0000 I'm sure there's a philosophical discussion in there, someplace. Along the lines of whether all existence is merely illusion.... But if that's the case, then we are sharing the same one. I'd noticed the silence, too. - Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Haslam" > This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > Ken Haslam From SRS0=SP2sdx=HT=gmail.com=polymike.rtfm@yourhostingaccount.com Tue Dec 1 18:36:14 2009 Received: from mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com (mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com [65.254.254.73]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB1NZ7E6002084 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:36:14 -0500 Received: from mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.15.15] helo=mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailout05.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1NFcFP-0002C4-DJ for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:35:07 -0500 Received: from impout03.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.55.3] helo=impout03.yourhostingaccount.com) by mailscan15.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtp (Exim) id 1NFcFO-0004wj-QN; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:35:06 -0500 Received: from authsmtp06.yourhostingaccount.com ([10.1.18.6]) by impout03.yourhostingaccount.com with NO UCE id Bza71d00307rVmq0000000; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:07 -0500 X-EN-OrigOutIP: 10.1.18.6 X-EN-IMPSID: Bza71d00307rVmq0000000 Received: from user-12l3jdf.cable.mindspring.com ([69.81.205.175] helo=[192.168.1.2]) by authsmtp06.yourhostingaccount.com with esmtpa (Exim) id 1NFcER-0005jv-56; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 18:34:07 -0500 Message-ID: <4B15A7EA.6060500@gmail.com> From: Mike User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-EN-UserInfo: abf8cfbcaf793b6d69bb700e8b017c23:b84a2835f55098455617267a9225efd3 X-EN-AuthUser: mike@writestarr.com Sender: Mike X-EN-OrigIP: 69.81.205.175 X-EN-OrigHost: user-12l3jdf.cable.mindspring.com Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:36:14 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:34:02 -0600 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:36:14 -0000 Yep, it's still alive. Your message came through just fine. Ken Haslam wrote: > This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > Ken Haslam > From popefelix@gmail.com Tue Dec 1 18:40:47 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB1Nelwo002801 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 18:40:47 -0500 Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so9761466ewy.2 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:40:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.205 with SMTP id c55mr2150791wef.186.1259710842929; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 15:40:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: From: Kit Peters To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:40:48 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:40:42 -0600 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 23:40:48 -0000 While you haven't been excommunicated - yet - your sainthood has been called into question. It seems the Powers That Be do not consider dispensing Communion wine from one nostril quite miraculous enough. To quote Bishop Castle, "what else ya got?" The Pope On Dec 1, 2009 5:21 PM, "Ken Haslam" wrote: This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it still alive or have I been excommunicated? Ken Haslam -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Bysshe Shelley _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From boydw.smith@yahoo.com Tue Dec 1 20:20:04 2009 Received: from web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com (web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com [67.195.8.254]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nB21IuZf008204 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:20:02 -0500 Received: (qmail 45490 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Dec 2009 01:18:55 -0000 Message-ID: <587853.44384.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 6p25tpIVM1n51oDLQ88WnWyKHoQtkM3vhvh1AS.dIwnJNq3HZiwgxQnEzDYNHOKFGCO..7koM3RDai1nm1QPX353VRGlhE.s6rE6a8wSw8ulSZvOCdnRYLvwvd63hxbvT7E_Vu5iQH0GDT7BYPk8v8EJbSkOmrtQusLD.yYUxGFvf8GSZFpfdbk9vNmPYeZv3Y1ERWJx32aeN1NWLtshFrwqMKxBHRDnxNwothoS8evmwpH8t8B7kyuKLv0Ir8B_kJaF4edj5pz4jlSKWolAqTJRuc7EWdlIf43MKC2ICegXCFc45ZcRREUY00EB1lG7tgTH15GwlG7z9T11LRkhCeukcg-- Received: from [74.193.211.18] by web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 17:18:55 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/8.1.6 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 From: Boyd Smith To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id nB21IuZf008204 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:20:04 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 17:18:55 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 01:20:04 -0000 You get an 80. You passed YAAAAAAAAAA! BWS --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Ken Haslam wrote: > From: Ken Haslam > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Test Message > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:21 PM > This is a test.   I > have seen nothing on this list for a > month.   Is it > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > Ken Haslam > > -- > Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. > It is compatible > neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most > pure, perfect, > and unlimited when > its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. > > Percy Bysshe Shelley > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From anthony.roza@gmail.com Tue Dec 1 22:34:22 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f211.google.com (mail-ew0-f211.google.com [209.85.219.211]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB23YLts016381 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:34:22 -0500 Received: by ewy3 with SMTP id 3so9921511ewy.2 for ; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:34:20 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.90.136 with SMTP id e8mr2215313wef.110.1259724860286; Tue, 01 Dec 2009 19:34:20 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <587853.44384.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> <587853.44384.qm@web110506.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5aaa462a0912011934o7c2e3131va85287e902361daf@mail.gmail.com> From: Roza Anthony To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:34:23 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:34:20 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:34:23 -0000 Dear Mr. Pope. I am sorry, but dispensing Communion Wine from one nostril, if the person in question has not previously been drinking the Communion Wine (similar to milk), seems quite miraculous to me. In fact, even if the person in question had previously been drinking milk and then snorted out Communion Wine, I would consider this a miracle. If Jesus could turn water into wine, I think milk into wine should be just as good! Roza On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 8:18 PM, Boyd Smith wrote: > You get an 80. You passed YAAAAAAAAAA! > > BWS > > --- On Tue, 12/1/09, Ken Haslam wrote: > > > From: Ken Haslam > > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Test Message > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > > Date: Tuesday, December 1, 2009, 5:21 PM > > This is a test. I > > have seen nothing on this list for a > > month. Is it > > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > > > Ken Haslam > > > > -- > > Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. > > It is compatible > > neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most > > pure, perfect, > > and unlimited when > > its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. > > > > Percy Bysshe Shelley > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > > about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From fauxqui@comcast.net Tue Dec 1 22:40:26 2009 Received: from QMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.59.243]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB23dJQD017121 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:40:25 -0500 Message-Id: <200912020340.nB23dJQD017121@msb.ernest-doss.org> Received: from OMTA16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.88]) by QMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C3Ae1d0061uE5Es5D3fEqr; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:39:14 +0000 Received: from LENOVO5B1FECA2 ([69.248.0.237]) by OMTA16.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C3pU1d00556odiV3c3pUbb; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:49:28 +0000 From: "Charlie Miller" To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 thread-index: Acpy3Q+v557RB/MCTAijNx3rf4PkIQAI8t6g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:40:26 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 22:39:08 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 03:40:26 -0000 Everyone is lurking, lurking, lurking... [Charlie Miller] From airsafe1@comcast.net Tue Dec 1 23:29:43 2009 Received: from QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.17]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB24Saew019990 for ; Tue, 1 Dec 2009 23:29:42 -0500 Received: from OMTA21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.88]) by QMTA10.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C3VF1d0061u4NiLAA4UW8v; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:28:30 +0000 Received: from DaveVostro1400 ([76.127.86.3]) by OMTA21.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id C4UV1d00D04KFes8h4UWol; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:28:30 +0000 From: "David Hall" To: References: <5683514.1734.1259710039609.JavaMail.root@n01> Message-ID: <495D98CFA94645D88D365BA97F3D7C6D@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <5683514.1734.1259710039609.JavaMail.root@n01> Thread-Index: Acpy3dMwyIvU681uSVSpe85edTclcwAKO2mw X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [UUPoly-L] Important message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:29:43 -0000 X-Original-Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 20:28:19 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 04:29:43 -0000 Thanks for the prompt, Ken. Now is the time to renew your membership in UUPA, we continue to need your support in our work within the UUA to spread knowledge about polyamory. We continue to receive requests for information thanks to our ad in UUWorld and our presence at General Assembly, both of which use up most of our budget. We support and encourage ministers, seminary students and church members to remember that "standing on the side of love" is not JUST about Gay Marriage, but about all loving relationships. Go to www.UUPA.org and see how easy we have made it to join/renew/donate. With loving thanks Dave Hall UUPA Treasurer -----Original Message----- From: uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of Ken Haslam Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:21 PM To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: [UUPoly-L] Test Message This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it still alive or have I been excommunicated? Ken Haslam -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Bysshe Shelley _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From haslamk@gmail.com Wed Dec 2 12:36:53 2009 Received: from mail-gx0-f223.google.com (mail-gx0-f223.google.com [209.85.217.223]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB2Haqlk005660 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:36:53 -0500 Received: by gxk23 with SMTP id 23so405946gxk.2 for ; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:36:51 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.132.40 with SMTP id j40mr417963ann.190.1259775411580; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 09:36:51 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <7f7f511e0912020936y7cbb88d2s61ec7ca972a73251@mail.gmail.com> From: Ken Haslam To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] OK I feel better now. X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:36:51 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:36:54 -0000 thanks Dave for reminding me about dues and a donation. Your check is coming by Paypal. It feels so good to see we are finally a 501 C 3 organization. Ken Haslam -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Bysshe Shelley From ejjabla@comcast.net Wed Dec 2 12:56:22 2009 Received: from QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.40]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB2HtFgf007637 for ; Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:56:21 -0500 Received: from OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.11]) by QMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CF6x1d0090EPchoA4Hv6vK; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:55:06 +0000 Received: from edddb5c91ad5a7 ([24.2.36.91]) by OMTA01.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id CHv51d00G1xz6Eo8MHv6JY; Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:55:06 +0000 Message-ID: <85E9E2C16F4746289C63D372289C9F9D@edddb5c91ad5a7> From: "Ed Blanchette" To: References: <5683514.1734.1259710039609.JavaMail.root@n01> <495D98CFA94645D88D365BA97F3D7C6D@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Important message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:24 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:55:05 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2009 17:56:24 -0000 My renewal will be on its way in a week or two, Dave, most likely via USPS. Ed Blanchette Citrus Hts. (Sacramento County) California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Important message > Thanks for the prompt, Ken. > > Now is the time to renew your membership in UUPA, we continue to need your > support in our work within the UUA to spread knowledge about polyamory. We > continue to receive requests for information thanks to our ad in UUWorld > and > our presence at General Assembly, both of which use up most of our budget. > We support and encourage ministers, seminary students and church members > to > remember that "standing on the side of love" is not JUST about Gay > Marriage, > but about all loving relationships. > > Go to www.UUPA.org and see how easy we have made it to join/renew/donate. > > With loving thanks > > Dave Hall > UUPA Treasurer > (snip) From beardrummer@gmail.com Thu Dec 3 09:28:10 2009 Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.221.177]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB3ESAtG010817 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:28:10 -0500 Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so537433qyk.10 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.224.103.75 with SMTP id j11mr883068qao.46.1259850485142; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:28:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?192.168.0.4? ([72.171.29.78]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 20sm1241048qyk.5.2009.12.03.06.27.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:28:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B17CAE5.2010906@gmail.com> From: BearDrummer User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [UUPoly-L] Poly Divorce - was Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:28:12 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:27:49 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 14:28:12 -0000 My ex communicates all too well.... but that is a different story... Anyway Well, the intentional community we moved to south west Oregon to help start is in the process of dissolving - for the sake of brevity, lets call it the inevitable "irreconcilable differences". My wife and I have until January 15th to find a new place, after putting every penny we made into this place. We are applying for rental assistance, hoping for help with deposits - if we can raise the deposits and first month (we still have to pay "rent" where we are), then we can handle the month to month... There is an organization called UCAN that helps with that stuff, if only we can get a person instead of an answering machine. Like lot of marriages, what seemed like a good thing going in turned into a nightmare, and then ended worse. Add in Oregon's unemployment rate and the job I had arranged before coming here falling through, and you have our current situation. The moral of this part of a story? Remember that trying to make a poly family runs all the risks of a one on one marriage... while divorce isn't on the table, since marriage isn't legal yet, one should realize the commitment is real, and that the separation can be just as hurtful. On the other hand if you find the right partners, it would be wonderful. Ken Haslam wrote: > This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is it > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > Ken Haslam > > From sanity@artofactivism.com Thu Dec 3 12:34:17 2009 Received: from host.hostingwebsite.org (ev1s-207-44-182-29.theplanet.com [207.44.182.29] (may be forged)) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB3HXA4k021884 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 12:34:17 -0500 Received: from c-71-193-32-101.hsd1.ca.comcast.net ([71.193.32.101]) by host.hostingwebsite.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NGFY2-0004gR-9d for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 11:33:02 -0600 Message-Id: <7F25B852-B449-4474-B6DA-58EE49103931@artofactivism.com> From: Jason Sterling To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v936) References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host.hostingwebsite.org X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - uupa.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - artofactivism.com Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly Divorce X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:34:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 09:31:56 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:34:17 -0000 Bear, I'm so sorry to hear about your troubles. Having separated from my ex about a year ago while simultaneously undergoing a financial nightmare similar to yours, I can really feel your pain. Please know that there are people out here (even lurkers like me) who understand and support you as you struggle through this difficult time. You can email me if you ever want to chat about it at jason (at) art of activism (dot) co m. Take care. Jason On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:00 AM, uupoly-l-request@uupa.org wrote: Send UUPoly-L mailing list submissions to uupoly-l@uupa.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to uupoly-l-request@uupa.org You can reach the person managing the list at uupoly-l-owner@uupa.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of UUPoly-L digest..." Today's Topics: 1. OK I feel better now. (Ken Haslam) 2. Re: Important message (Ed Blanchette) 3. Poly Divorce - was Test Message (BearDrummer) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 12:36:51 -0500 From: Ken Haslam Subject: [UUPoly-L] OK I feel better now. To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <7f7f511e0912020936y7cbb88d2s61ec7ca972a73251@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 thanks Dave for reminding me about dues and a donation. Your check is coming by Paypal. It feels so good to see we are finally a 501 C 3 organization. Ken Haslam -- Love withers under constraint; its very essence is liberty. It is compatible neither with obedience, jealousy nor fear. It is there most pure, perfect, and unlimited when its votaries live in confidence, equality and unreserve. Percy Bysshe Shelley ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 09:55:05 -0800 From: "Ed Blanchette" Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Important message To: Message-ID: <85E9E2C16F4746289C63D372289C9F9D@edddb5c91ad5a7> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original My renewal will be on its way in a week or two, Dave, most likely via USPS. Ed Blanchette Citrus Hts. (Sacramento County) California USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Hall" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 8:28 PM Subject: [UUPoly-L] Important message > Thanks for the prompt, Ken. > > Now is the time to renew your membership in UUPA, we continue to > need your > support in our work within the UUA to spread knowledge about > polyamory. We > continue to receive requests for information thanks to our ad in > UUWorld > and > our presence at General Assembly, both of which use up most of our > budget. > We support and encourage ministers, seminary students and church > members > to > remember that "standing on the side of love" is not JUST about Gay > Marriage, > but about all loving relationships. > > Go to www.UUPA.org and see how easy we have made it to join/renew/ > donate. > > With loving thanks > > Dave Hall > UUPA Treasurer > (snip) ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2009 06:27:49 -0800 From: BearDrummer Subject: [UUPoly-L] Poly Divorce - was Test Message To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Message-ID: <4B17CAE5.2010906@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My ex communicates all too well.... but that is a different story... Anyway Well, the intentional community we moved to south west Oregon to help start is in the process of dissolving - for the sake of brevity, lets call it the inevitable "irreconcilable differences". My wife and I have until January 15th to find a new place, after putting every penny we made into this place. We are applying for rental assistance, hoping for help with deposits - if we can raise the deposits and first month (we still have to pay "rent" where we are), then we can handle the month to month... There is an organization called UCAN that helps with that stuff, if only we can get a person instead of an answering machine. Like lot of marriages, what seemed like a good thing going in turned into a nightmare, and then ended worse. Add in Oregon's unemployment rate and the job I had arranged before coming here falling through, and you have our current situation. The moral of this part of a story? Remember that trying to make a poly family runs all the risks of a one on one marriage... while divorce isn't on the table, since marriage isn't legal yet, one should realize the commitment is real, and that the separation can be just as hurtful. On the other hand if you find the right partners, it would be wonderful. Ken Haslam wrote: > This is a test. I have seen nothing on this list for a month. Is > it > still alive or have I been excommunicated? > > Ken Haslam > > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l End of UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 63, Issue 2 *************************************** From cyn@technomom.com Thu Dec 3 22:43:02 2009 Received: from mout.perfora.net (mout.perfora.net [74.208.4.195]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nB43ftTa022999 for ; Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:43:02 -0500 Received: from mail-fx0-f222.google.com (mail-fx0-f222.google.com [209.85.220.222]) by mrelay.perfora.net (node=mrus1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LaVpn-1Ny1r91NHz-00mJzQ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 22:41:49 -0500 Received: by fxm22 with SMTP id 22so2048232fxm.2 for ; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:41:46 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.4.84 with SMTP id 20mr395005faq.97.1259898106850; Thu, 03 Dec 2009 19:41:46 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B17CAE5.2010906@gmail.com> References: <7f7f511e0912011521o5e3a15b0ve26b29f519662756@mail.gmail.com> <4B17CAE5.2010906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <218ed5c50912031941x5886d5f3w4459330fb6f5208c@mail.gmail.com> From: Cynthia Armistead To: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mGbMe07oijkJGMUKmaEQQ0fIiel7bEynJJZj acpMI45Mxa9NihhZFcsvsKLecp/nucJGMo9f+3FItO6iffpiAu 1VRNRz5fbLAovuCOVP/KBa3Y98ZCIfg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly Divorce - was Test Message X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:43:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 22:41:46 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2009 03:43:02 -0000 On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 9:27 AM, BearDrummer wrote: > The moral of this part of a story? Remember that trying to make a poly > family runs all the risks of a one on one marriage... while divorce > isn't on the table, since marriage isn't legal yet, one should realize > the commitment is real, and that the separation can be just as hurtful. > On the other hand if you find the right partners, it would be wonderful. > I'm so sorry to hear that. Sam and I went through a hellish experience with a "poly divorce" of sorts with our housemates four years ago this month (in fact, it began almost exactly four years ago, the day after Thanksgiving, with no prior warning). We're still healing, emotionally. I wish you the best in getting back on your feet quickly and as painlessly as possible. I wish we could help in more concrete ways, as well! Namaste, Cyn From valerie@valeriewhite.org Fri Dec 18 17:10:05 2009 Received: from cosmos.phy.tufts.edu (cosmos.phy.tufts.edu [130.64.83.16]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBIM8wfH026391 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:10:05 -0500 Received: from p92-11.acedsl.com ([66.114.92.11]:50012 helo=neptune.place.org) by cosmos.phy.tufts.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLl0M-0001Qv-7z for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:08:58 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.247] (port=3195 helo=VW.valeriewhite.org) by neptune.place.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLl0L-0004xV-SB for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:08:57 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: Valerie White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Subject: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:10:05 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 17:08:36 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 22:10:05 -0000 Sexual Freedom Legal Defense has received a request for a referral to an expert witness (on the issue of whether polyfidelity is harmful to children) in Arizona. Anybody have any suggestions? Valerie White Executive Director Sexual Freedom Legal Defense and Education Fund, Inc. www.sfldef.org From diva@goldenvoid.com Fri Dec 18 18:23:57 2009 Received: from chronoglide.goldenvoid.com (acuriosity.com [64.250.232.26] (may be forged)) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBINMon0030271 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 18:23:57 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.60] (unknown [192.168.42.60]) by chronoglide.goldenvoid.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FF2C7D62 for ; Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:22:48 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> From: Renee Christy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:23:57 -0000 X-Original-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 15:22:47 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 23:23:57 -0000 Valerie White wrote: > Sexual Freedom Legal Defense has received a request for a referral to > an expert witness (on the issue of whether polyfidelity is harmful to > children) in Arizona. Anybody have any suggestions? > > Valerie White > Executive Director > Sexual Freedom Legal Defense and Education Fund, Inc. > www.sfldef.org > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > I have a polyvegas member who lives in AZ and is successfully raising several children with her partners.Do you want me to forward you email to her? Renee PolyVegas From aine.maire@gmail.com Sat Dec 19 06:06:02 2009 Received: from mail-iw0-f185.google.com (mail-iw0-f185.google.com [209.85.223.185]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBJB62Bp003238 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:06:02 -0500 Received: by iwn15 with SMTP id 15so2520975iwn.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:06:00 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.120.136 with SMTP id d8mr1218947ibr.14.1261220760148; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 03:06:00 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> From: aine.maire@gmail.com Message-ID: <80de162a0912190305v3681579ev62d5bbf49762715b@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:06:02 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 06:05:40 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:06:02 -0000 I know what polyfidelitous means, along with several other terms. But what is polyvegas? Thanks, Annie From valerie@valeriewhite.org Sat Dec 19 07:03:52 2009 Received: from cosmos.phy.tufts.edu (cosmos.phy.tufts.edu [130.64.83.16]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBJC2kIs008198 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:03:52 -0500 Received: from p92-11.acedsl.com ([66.114.92.11]:48152 helo=neptune.place.org) by cosmos.phy.tufts.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NLy1F-0006TS-Qv for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:45 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.247] (port=3813 helo=VW.valeriewhite.org) by neptune.place.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NLy1F-0006NV-DY for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:45 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20091219070203.0557cab8@valeriewhite.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: Valerie White In-Reply-To: <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:03:52 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 07:02:20 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 12:03:52 -0000 >= > > >I have a polyvegas member who lives in AZ and is successfully raising >several children with her partners.Do you want me to forward you email >to her? Please! V From JasmineGld@aol.com Sat Dec 19 11:02:17 2009 Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com (imr-da02.mx.aol.com [205.188.105.144]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBJG1AMU021617 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:02:17 -0500 Received: from imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (imo-ma03.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.138]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id nBJG1Ax6014995 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:01:10 -0500 Received: from JasmineGld@aol.com by imo-ma03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.5.) id g.d30.6014bf01 (34909) for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com [64.12.207.150]) by cia-da02.mx.aol.com (v126.13) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA026-5c6e4b2cf8b94b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:01:05 -0500 Received: from magic-m11.mail.aol.com (magic-m11.mail.aol.com [172.21.145.211]) by smtprly-mb03.mx.aol.com (v127.6) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYMB034-5c6e4b2cf8b94b; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:00:57 -0500 From: jasminegld@aol.com Message-ID: <55e6.3cd19c18.385e52b8@aol.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: 9.0 Security Edition for Windows sub 5379 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 74.130.8.252 X-AOL-IP: 172.21.145.211 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-AOL-SENDER: JasmineGld@aol.com Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:02:17 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:00:56 EST X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 16:02:17 -0000 In a message dated 12/19/2009 6:06:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, aine.maire@gmail.com writes: > But what is polyvegas? PolyVegas is a local Polyamory Support and Social Group in Las Vegas, Nevada. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PolyVegas/ Jasmine From diva@goldenvoid.com Sat Dec 19 14:40:18 2009 Received: from chronoglide.goldenvoid.com (acuriosity.com [64.250.232.26] (may be forged)) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBJJdBvp002979 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 14:40:18 -0500 Received: from [192.168.42.60] (unknown [192.168.42.60]) by chronoglide.goldenvoid.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB560DE00B for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:39:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4B2D2BDA.60005@goldenvoid.com> From: Renee Christy User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> <80de162a0912190305v3681579ev62d5bbf49762715b@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <80de162a0912190305v3681579ev62d5bbf49762715b@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:40:19 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 11:39:06 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 19:40:19 -0000 aine.maire@gmail.com wrote: > I know what polyfidelitous means, along with several other terms. But what > is polyvegas? > PolyVegas is the local poly group in Las Vegas > Thanks, > Annie > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From aine.maire@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 02:50:55 2009 Received: from mail-iw0-f185.google.com (mail-iw0-f185.google.com [209.85.223.185]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBK7otFe010155 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:50:55 -0500 Received: by iwn15 with SMTP id 15so2827519iwn.10 for ; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:50:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.9.33 with SMTP id j33mr499743ibj.37.1261295453107; Sat, 19 Dec 2009 23:50:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4B2D2BDA.60005@goldenvoid.com> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> <4B2C0EC7.40906@goldenvoid.com> <80de162a0912190305v3681579ev62d5bbf49762715b@mail.gmail.com> <4B2D2BDA.60005@goldenvoid.com> From: aine.maire@gmail.com Message-ID: <80de162a0912192350x757d5581m2f5f0cb8ee006ca7@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:50:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 02:50:33 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 07:50:55 -0000 Thanks. I wondered if it had anything to do with Las Vegas, or was some form of polyamory I had not known before. Annie:) On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 14:39, Renee Christy wrote: > aine.maire@gmail.com wrote: > > I know what polyfidelitous means, along with several other terms. But > what > > is polyvegas? > > > PolyVegas is the local poly group in Las Vegas > > Thanks, > > Annie > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From docrudolph@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 09:45:40 2009 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com (mail-yx0-f189.google.com [209.85.210.189]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKEje16009810 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:45:40 -0500 Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so4167890yxe.10 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.91.189.1 with SMTP id r1mr1277835agp.109.1261320339294; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:45:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from bda2694.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (bda-67-223-66-169.bise.na.blackberry.com [67.223.66.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2021052yxd.44.2009.12.20.06.45.38 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:45:38 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 113653455 Message-ID: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: docrudolph@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id nBKEje16009810 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: docrudolph@gmail.com, uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:45:41 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:45:35 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:45:41 -0000 Seriously, does anyone out there have a comprehensive list of the known forms of polyamory? Just for reference purposes? It feels a little like discovery of a new fundamental particle or element or a new jovian moon :-) ------Original Message------ From: aine.maire@gmail.com Sender: uupoly-l-bounces+docrudolph=gmail.com@uupa.org To: uupoly-l@uupa.org ReplyTo: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral Sent: Dec 20, 2009 02:50 Thanks. I wondered if it had anything to do with Las Vegas, or was some form of polyamory I had not known before. Annie:) On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 14:39, Renee Christy wrote: > aine.maire@gmail.com wrote: > > I know what polyfidelitous means, along with several other terms. But > what > > is polyvegas? > > > PolyVegas is the local poly group in Las Vegas > > Thanks, > > Annie > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From cwlee@post.harvard.edu Sun Dec 20 12:16:54 2009 Received: from elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.63]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKHGsWL019266 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:16:54 -0500 Received: from [4.231.168.16] (helo=System4) by elasmtp-junco.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1NMPOo-0006LX-1X for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:16:54 -0500 Message-ID: From: "CWLee" To: References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> In-Reply-To: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 X-ELNK-Trace: 7141e3bbddc8a6d4f1b7fbad2ae65da374bf435c0eb9d47883c45c199cf8a7b4927b1455ce0d66b900b043b77a4938fa350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 4.231.168.16 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Polyvegas? X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:54 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:16:42 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:16:54 -0000 It has been written: "I know what polyfidelitous means, along with several other terms. But what is polyvegas?" It's a new name for an old practice from the communal living world. It means when an impasse is reached on some topic (who takes out the garbage today, cuts the lawn this weekend, fixes dinner, etc.) it is resolved by cutting a deck of cards, or flipping a coin, or rolling a set of dice. Seems to work best for smaller issues. Best regards to all. Chuck Lee. From airsafe1@comcast.net Sun Dec 20 14:35:31 2009 Received: from QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.32]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKJYORP027740 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:35:31 -0500 Received: from OMTA23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by QMTA03.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KVJj1d0051wfjNsA3XaKSU; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:34:19 +0000 Received: from DaveVostro1400 ([76.127.86.3]) by OMTA23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id KXbN1d00J04KFes8jXbPat; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:23 +0000 From: "David Hall" To: , References: <24562387.213.1261320758160.JavaMail.root@n01> Message-ID: <49BC439C514044EAB78F4578051D086A@DaveVostro1400> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcqBhBKH9I41tgUFT8eTKA5XKgOKSgAJc5HQ In-Reply-To: <24562387.213.1261320758160.JavaMail.root@n01> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 11:34:13 -0800 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 19:35:32 -0000 First it would be necessary to define what you mean by "forms". It could go from a V to Kerista to the Onedia community? Or it could be just a word list like polygamy, polyandry, etc. A more detailed request is needed to get a useful answer. DrHoney docrudolph@gmail.com wrote: Seriously, does anyone out there have a comprehensive list of the known forms of polyamory? Just for reference purposes? It feels a little like discovery of a new fundamental particle or element or a new jovian moon :-) From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Dec 20 15:05:03 2009 Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKK3vr9029681 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:05:03 -0500 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.107.61]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUY00MLSVPRIM06@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:03:28 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Rios" To: , References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-id: <2F9280B189224B1AB7D8C4778A4D812F@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AcqBgx/vmDZZ2J/+TtCsO3UJWhI+zwAK241g Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:05:03 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:03:26 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:05:03 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: docrudolph@gmail.com > > Seriously, does anyone out there have a comprehensive list of the known > forms of polyamory? Just for reference purposes? There really is no comprehensive list possible, I would think. If we are looking at all possible *ethical* and/or responsible relationship styles that are acknowledged in this society, they really fall into three categories: 1. Celibacy 2. Monogamy 3. Everything else-- which is to say, "polyamory". There are a near-infinite number of possibilities of how humans can create relationships. As a woman I know once said, "We have these relationships-- and *then* we try to find labels for them." So polyamory isn't really a relationship style-- it is more a collection of alternatives to items 1 and 2 above. And that is as it should be, to my mind. The idea of fitting real live human beings, and the ways that they choose to care about and connect with each other, into a finite number of predefined boxes, is repugnant to me. The real power in polyamory is not that we are increasing the number of boxes, but that we are *eliminating* boxes that people are expected to fit into. Michael Rios From popefelix@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 15:29:40 2009 Received: from mail-ew0-f228.google.com (mail-ew0-f228.google.com [209.85.219.228]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKKTeTO031368 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:29:40 -0500 Received: by ewy28 with SMTP id 28so5787158ewy.37 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:29:37 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.86.16 with SMTP id v16mr2065451wee.162.1261340977641; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:29:37 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2F9280B189224B1AB7D8C4778A4D812F@MVRLENOVO> Message-ID: From: Kit Peters To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:40 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:37 -0600 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:29:40 -0000 Trying to shoehorn the infinite variety and possibility of human relationships into a finite number of boxes is fraught with peril, I agree. That said, it might be useful to have definitions for the more commonly used terms on this list and the wider polyamorous community. KP On Dec 20, 2009 2:05 PM, "Michael Rios" wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: docrudolph@gmail.com > > Seriously, does anyone out there ha... There really is no comprehensive list possible, I would think. If we are looking at all possible *ethical* and/or responsible relationship styles that are acknowledged in this society, they really fall into three categories: 1. Celibacy 2. Monogamy 3. Everything else-- which is to say, "polyamory". There are a near-infinite number of possibilities of how humans can create relationships. As a woman I know once said, "We have these relationships-- and *then* we try to find labels for them." So polyamory isn't really a relationship style-- it is more a collection of alternatives to items 1 and 2 above. And that is as it should be, to my mind. The idea of fitting real live human beings, and the ways that they choose to care about and connect with each other, into a finite number of predefined boxes, is repugnant to me. The real power in polyamory is not that we are increasing the number of boxes, but that we are *eliminating* boxes that people are expected to fit into. Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Pl... From docrudolph@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 15:54:05 2009 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com (mail-yx0-f189.google.com [209.85.210.189]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKKs5UZ000646 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:54:05 -0500 Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so4298350yxe.10 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:54:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.9.5 with SMTP id 5mr10098388ybi.31.1261342438012; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 12:53:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2F9280B189224B1AB7D8C4778A4D812F@MVRLENOVO> Message-ID: From: Frank Rudolph To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:54:05 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:53:57 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:54:05 -0000 Folks, you are missing the point. I don't want to define all the permutations! I have as much imagination as anyone (more than most, else I wouldn't be in this group!) All I wanted to know was, for the purpose of interpreting what others say, can we get a list of terms (like polyfidelity, for instance, which is obvious) so if we hear someone say something like "vegasdelity" or whatever it was that started this thread, we don't have to ask! Boxes? Down with boxes! Burn the damn things! Death to boxes! (I still like Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" though :-) Come to think of it there are quite a few little boxes I've run into that are very nice, but I digress :-) - Frank On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Kit Peters wrote: > Trying to shoehorn the infinite variety and possibility of human > relationships into a finite number of boxes is fraught with peril, I agree. > That said, it might be useful to have definitions for the more commonly > used > terms on this list and the wider polyamorous community. > > KP > > On Dec 20, 2009 2:05 PM, "Michael Rios" wrote: > > > -----Original Message----- > From: docrudolph@gmail.com > > Seriously, > does anyone out there ha... > There really is no comprehensive list possible, I would think. If we are > looking at all possible *ethical* and/or responsible relationship styles > that are acknowledged in this society, they really fall into three > categories: > > 1. Celibacy > 2. Monogamy > 3. Everything else-- which is to say, "polyamory". > > There are a near-infinite number of possibilities of how humans can create > relationships. As a woman I know once said, "We have these relationships-- > and *then* we try to find labels for them." > > So polyamory isn't really a relationship style-- it is more a collection of > alternatives to items 1 and 2 above. > > And that is as it should be, to my mind. The idea of fitting real live > human beings, and the ways that they choose to care about and connect with > each other, into a finite number of predefined boxes, is repugnant to me. > The real power in polyamory is not that we are increasing the number of > boxes, but that we are *eliminating* boxes that people are expected to fit > into. > > Michael Rios > > _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list > has public archives. Pl... > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From greg27241@yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 17:07:48 2009 Received: from web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com [68.142.207.250]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nBKM6fSl004991 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:07:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 71332 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2009 22:06:40 -0000 Message-ID: <627033.69678.qm@web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: pDTkkPEVM1muJrk9FQLxtQSWHKKxOogMcamgLVWGm3PUgCpvybXBvMQ4X3_.10uvvZEcFhNDWJBLV7qzl7mfDzAzvHboheAu3vDtuj_TejiXnxvSLiPL1MmnTcEagWEfWxnCatFeypNIVd7sr7AcjsEkvGqiBxsoRBFcqIs6uXnJmgdchI7WcpLqk_.lS1aZ.nZOBsvdvO4VfOhijGPdPmb1n77W7YKO_l4HCB.ayUfHdQjL4G5.PnV1IW05BJ7Kkkg4Cn2AKQKkkfEB2lC78PE1k_LiY_dxqB3PUqW1nWkrraTVd9iMb6FvBq7c0RvvVq2fA1mu9JMesmfNo0o3a4q8IOeMeTNE2IJiiFYG74o0R5dxR_lv Received: from [67.9.242.215] by web32706.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:06:40 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/240.3 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2F9280B189224B1AB7D8C4778A4D812F@MVRLENOVO> From: Greg Southworth To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:07:48 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:06:40 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:07:48 -0000 =0AReminds me of the bumpersticker: Death to all fanatics! (Sorry, it is of= f-topic, but it really did)=0A=0A=0AGreg=0A=0A=0A__________________________= ______=0AFrom: Frank Rudolph =0ATo: uupoly-l@uupa.org= =0ASent: Sun, December 20, 2009 2:53:57 PM=0ASubject: Re: [UUPoly-L] lookin= g for a referral=0A=0AFolks, you are missing the point. I don't want to def= ine all the=0Apermutations! I have as much imagination as anyone (more than= most, else I=0Awouldn't be in this group!)=0A=0AAll I wanted to know was, = for the purpose of interpreting what others say,=0Acan we get a list of ter= ms (like polyfidelity, for instance, which is=0Aobvious) so if we hear some= one say something like "vegasdelity" or whatever=0Ait was that started this= thread, we don't have to ask!=0A=0ABoxes? Down with boxes! Burn the damn t= hings! Death to boxes!=0A(I still like Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" tho= ugh :-)=0A=0ACome to think of it there are quite a few little boxes I've ru= n into that=0Aare very nice, but I digress :-)=0A=0A- Frank=0A=0AOn Sun, De= c 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Kit Peters wrote:=0A=0A> Tryin= g to shoehorn the infinite variety and possibility of human=0A> relationshi= ps into a finite number of boxes is fraught with peril, I agree.=0A> That s= aid, it might be useful to have definitions for the more commonly=0A> used= =0A> terms on this list and the wider polyamorous community.=0A>=0A> KP=0A>= =0A> On Dec 20, 2009 2:05 PM, "Michael Rios" wrote:= =0A>=0A> > -----Original Message----- > From: docrudolph@gmail.com > > Seri= ously,=0A> does anyone out there ha...=0A> There really is no comprehensive= list possible, I would think.=A0 If we are=0A> looking at all possible *et= hical* and/or responsible relationship styles=0A> that are acknowledged in = this society, they really fall into three=0A> categories:=0A>=0A> 1. Celiba= cy=0A> 2. Monogamy=0A> 3. Everything else-- which is to say, "polyamory".= =0A>=0A> There are a near-infinite number of possibilities of how humans ca= n create=0A> relationships.=A0 As a woman I know once said, "We have these = relationships--=0A> and *then* we try to find labels for them."=0A>=0A> So = polyamory isn't really a relationship style-- it is more a collection of=0A= > alternatives to items 1 and 2 above.=0A>=0A> And that is as it should be,= to my mind.=A0 The idea of fitting real live=0A> human beings, and the way= s that they choose to care about and connect with=0A> each other, into a fi= nite number of predefined boxes, is repugnant to me.=0A> The real power in = polyamory is not that we are increasing the number of=0A> boxes, but that w= e are *eliminating* boxes that people are expected to fit=0A> into.=0A>=0A>= Michael Rios=0A>=0A> _______________________________________________ The U= UPoly-L mailing list=0A> has public archives. Pl...=0A> ___________________= ____________________________=0A> The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archi= ves.=0A> Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yo= urself.=0A> UUPoly-L mailing list=0A> UUPoly-L@uupa.org=0A> http://www.uupa= .org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l=0A>=0A______________________________________= _________=0AThe UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives.=0APlease keep th= at in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself.=0AUUPoly-L mail= ing list=0AUUPoly-L@uupa.org=0Ahttp://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-= l=0A=0A=0A=0A From earthfather@cfnc.us Sun Dec 20 17:18:41 2009 Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net (vms173009pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.9]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKMHZfN006020 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:18:41 -0500 Received: from MVRLENOVO ([173.79.107.61]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KUZ00KPB1WI00VE@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:17:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Michael Rios" To: References: <113653455-1261320337-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1468141983-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> <2F9280B189224B1AB7D8C4778A4D812F@MVRLENOVO> Message-id: <6D10EA7414DE42FDA8CB0DBBADC5F774@MVRLENOVO> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-reply-to: X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-index: AcqBtp2Bqy7S6TZKScWXECPgv8FO+wAAYPrw Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:18:42 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:17:04 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:18:42 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Rudolph > > All I wanted to know was, for the purpose of interpreting what others say, > can we get a list of terms (like polyfidelity, for instance, which is > obvious) so if we hear someone say something like "vegasdelity" or > whatever > it was that started this thread, we don't have to ask! In my experience, beyond a very few obvious ones, like polyfidelity, the definitions vary wildly from one person to the next. Even polyfidelity seems to have a variety of definitions; the inventors of the term, Kerista, included a number of people who had sexual relationships outside of Kerista, apparently with the full knowledge of the other members. So I think that any such list should have a caveat that no assumptions should be made unless you ask each person who is using a term exactly what they mean by it > > Boxes? Down with boxes! Burn the damn things! Death to boxes! > (I still like Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" though :-) Though her song is about why she *didn't* like little boxes... :-) Michael Rios From docrudolph@gmail.com Sun Dec 20 17:29:58 2009 Received: from mail-yw0-f174.google.com (mail-yw0-f174.google.com [209.85.211.174]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBKMTwYf007093 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:29:58 -0500 Received: by ywh4 with SMTP id 4so4575043ywh.10 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.150.27.28 with SMTP id a28mr9831227yba.147.1261348195355; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from bda2694.bisx.prod.on.blackberry (bda-67-223-66-169.bise.na.blackberry.com [67.223.66.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm2125075yxg.66.2009.12.20.14.29.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 20 Dec 2009 14:29:55 -0800 (PST) X-rim-org-msg-ref-id: 1845358709 Message-ID: <1845358709-1261348193-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-267521957-@bda213.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> X-Priority: Normal Sensitivity: Normal Importance: Normal To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: docrudolph@gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from base64 to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id nBKMTwYf007093 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: docrudolph@gmail.com, uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:29:58 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:29:42 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:29:58 -0000 She didn't? How do you know that? :-) I suspect she grew mighty fond of them considering the success they brought her. Besides, poking fun does not necessarily obviate affection. Case in point: Lake Woebegone. I'm sure glad for the cable show that resurrected that delightful song though! ------Original Message------ From: Michael Rios Sender: uupoly-l-bounces+docrudolph=gmail.com@uupa.org To: uupoly-l@uupa.org ReplyTo: uupoly-l@uupa.org Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral Sent: Dec 20, 2009 17:17 > -----Original Message----- > From: Frank Rudolph > > All I wanted to know was, for the purpose of interpreting what others say, > can we get a list of terms (like polyfidelity, for instance, which is > obvious) so if we hear someone say something like "vegasdelity" or > whatever > it was that started this thread, we don't have to ask! In my experience, beyond a very few obvious ones, like polyfidelity, the definitions vary wildly from one person to the next. Even polyfidelity seems to have a variety of definitions; the inventors of the term, Kerista, included a number of people who had sexual relationships outside of Kerista, apparently with the full knowledge of the other members. So I think that any such list should have a caveat that no assumptions should be made unless you ask each person who is using a term exactly what they mean by it > > Boxes? Down with boxes! Burn the damn things! Death to boxes! > (I still like Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" though :-) Though her song is about why she *didn't* like little boxes... :-) Michael Rios _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From sophygurl@yahoo.com Sun Dec 20 20:49:15 2009 Received: from web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.55]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nBL1nFR2019526 for ; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:49:15 -0500 Received: (qmail 80236 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Dec 2009 01:49:15 -0000 Message-ID: <959673.79284.qm@web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: FEMsXSEVM1mGjgCVU7j8j6lS.LPeH22BD_gn2sXEeBV9iiLqxyDwqFB3xWBBbflYkaH63sR_5PWE2eVU.mxOd4trSQCygbPR.9YPAeC4TdA5M7e0DCtY4540k.GJt2k8erNkbTxA0IU_fmhgV12.v11fzm6d.FaW2N9VDg5QCitDRxxpPgFH.viaISaT3LiXdxb.IUrAgN_uxnG92amMbd6JTAAkkJlFPkr4SENsJgDCRyhjJBXjwRplMmFFdDLgLUhwwd9rL.Ptu29pwnGLxfC3APS4Rqif0I9zHzh2O_9fHUgT3XE9Q5z01yV0mu2a06HZY3mKs4.XTz9hsHzMipsNVgXmlGhwvJdHTGyMRCJbjQzLYpMKAmi3oSMiYHElAAied581QYuBR5SU.NPW9ru5HweBCafGOaCfnY.2jb72SXEKRpGjTeP7fHjcLuNmeXLApO5FeknrdqNBQBakV_4cJuPJlpVfM3wgJIIrKIXDjZiJ2tbfLjrxVUB_e7c57g5zudRO08RVLQe2UTYRgZ_JDD8m16OfOk7uzOevkflzzYhpMckTbpwMez98Ki7tRaWrA9eDN2lA35o2Azl3WL0kVNSUq7czIgrotvS.rbBTi43.RdHQcJiW.s2m5ulHiWgOuovqDhdvrGM0lwfUbxusNA-- Received: from [97.87.56.208] by web50301.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:49:14 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.19 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 From: Rosemary Amico To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id nBL1nFR2019526 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:49:15 -0000 X-Original-Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 17:49:14 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:49:15 -0000 Here are some lists I've found helpful online that do attempt to define and describe some of the many poly terms out there. http://www.xeromag.com/fvpolyglossary.html http://www.faqs.org/faqs/polyamory/faq/ http://www.lovemore.com/terms.php -Rosemary http://sophy.livejournal.com/ "The less I seek my source for some definitive The closer I am to fine." Indigo Girls --- On Sun, 12/20/09, Frank Rudolph wrote: > From: Frank Rudolph > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Sunday, December 20, 2009, 12:53 PM > Folks, you are missing the point. I > don't want to define all the > permutations! I have as much imagination as anyone (more > than most, else I > wouldn't be in this group!) > > All I wanted to know was, for the purpose of interpreting > what others say, > can we get a list of terms (like polyfidelity, for > instance, which is > obvious) so if we hear someone say something like > "vegasdelity" or whatever > it was that started this thread, we don't have to ask! > > Boxes? Down with boxes! Burn the damn things! Death to > boxes! > (I still like Malvina Reynolds' "Little Boxes" though :-) > > Come to think of it there are quite a few little boxes I've > run into that > are very nice, but I digress :-) > > - Frank > > On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Kit Peters > wrote: > > > Trying to shoehorn the infinite variety and > possibility of human > > relationships into a finite number of boxes is fraught > with peril, I agree. > > That said, it might be useful to have definitions for > the more commonly > > used > > terms on this list and the wider polyamorous > community. > > > > KP > > > > On Dec 20, 2009 2:05 PM, "Michael Rios" > wrote: > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: docrudolph@gmail.com > > > Seriously, > > does anyone out there ha... > > There really is no comprehensive list possible, I > would think.  If we are > > looking at all possible *ethical* and/or responsible > relationship styles > > that are acknowledged in this society, they really > fall into three > > categories: > > > > 1. Celibacy > > 2. Monogamy > > 3. Everything else-- which is to say, "polyamory". > > > > There are a near-infinite number of possibilities of > how humans can create > > relationships.  As a woman I know once said, "We > have these relationships-- > > and *then* we try to find labels for them." > > > > So polyamory isn't really a relationship style-- it is > more a collection of > > alternatives to items 1 and 2 above. > > > > And that is as it should be, to my mind.  The > idea of fitting real live > > human beings, and the ways that they choose to care > about and connect with > > each other, into a finite number of predefined boxes, > is repugnant to me. > > The real power in polyamory is not that we are > increasing the number of > > boxes, but that we are *eliminating* boxes that people > are expected to fit > > into. > > > > Michael Rios > > > > _______________________________________________ The > UUPoly-L mailing list > > has public archives. Pl... > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Mon Dec 21 20:12:32 2009 Received: from vms173015pub.verizon.net (vms173015pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.15]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBM1BPla003640 for ; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:12:32 -0500 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.50.80]) by vms173015.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KV100MW64LE1QJ7@vms173015.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Mon, 21 Dec 2009 19:10:33 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <9A2B4B56316D47F99685F02246101A4E@HamsaPC> From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20091218170555.0557e8a0@valeriewhite.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] looking for a REFERRAL (actually addressing the question) X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:12:32 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 20:10:26 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 01:12:32 -0000 Hi Valerie: I know of a very successful sexual civil rights lawyer who may be able = to point you in the right direction. *Her* practice is probably limited = to NY state, but here's the link anyway just in case she may be able to = point you to some resources. http://www.feministoutlaw.com/ = Diana.poly@gmail.com. She would be a fantastic expert witness. She's = a public speaker, offers relationship coaching and is a strong advocate = of alternative relationship styles. Writing Michael Rios off list might = get you a direct line email address....you'll have to ask Michael about = that. You might also try these links for poly-friendly professionals -=20 National Coalition for Sexual Freedom = http://www.ncsfreedom.org/index.php?option=3Dcom_wrapper&Itemid=3D75=20 Opening Up website resource list http://www.openingup.net/openlist/ American Association of Sexuality Educators, Counselors and Therapists = http://www.aasect.org/directory_usa.asp Polychromatic Poly-friendly professionals - = http://www.polychromatic.com/pfp/=20 Wishing the best: Tara Shakti-Ma )O(=20 http://www.facebook.com/tara.shaktima =20 * Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - An = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. We also have a companion group by the same name on = Facebook. =20 * New England Area Polyamory Network at = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEAPN/ - Serving as a central resource for = poly-folk in and around the New England area...also with a companion = group on Facebook. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti-Ma 2009 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Valerie White=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 5:08 PM Subject: [UUPoly-L] looking for a referral Sexual Freedom Legal Defense has received a request for a referral to=20 an expert witness (on the issue of whether polyfidelity is harmful to=20 children) in Arizona. Anybody have any suggestions? Valerie White Executive Director Sexual Freedom Legal Defense and Education Fund, Inc. www.sfldef.org _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From valerie@valeriewhite.org Wed Dec 23 21:29:11 2009 Received: from cosmos.phy.tufts.edu (cosmos.phy.tufts.edu [130.64.83.16]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBO2S5cX005293 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:29:11 -0500 Received: from p92-11.acedsl.com ([66.114.92.11]:37450 helo=neptune.place.org) by cosmos.phy.tufts.edu with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1NNdQq-0003X8-TX for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:28:05 -0500 Received: from [192.168.0.247] (port=1057 helo=VW.valeriewhite.org) by neptune.place.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NNdQq-0003er-Gc for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:28:04 -0500 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20091223212528.055a9430@valeriewhite.org> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org From: Valerie White Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:29:11 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:28:05 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:29:11 -0000 By a journalism student at Emerson College who took the train from Boston to Sharon to interview me. Also includes fellow UUPA member Desmond Ravenstone from Arlington St. Church. Valerie http://www.surviveandthriveboston.com/2009/12/polyamorous-community-seeks-mo.html From aine.maire@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 22:10:59 2009 Received: from mail-iw0-f185.google.com (mail-iw0-f185.google.com [209.85.223.185]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBO3Axon007811 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:10:59 -0500 Received: by iwn15 with SMTP id 15so5038405iwn.10 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:10:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.61.195 with SMTP id u3mr584054ibh.12.1261624256203; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:10:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20091223212528.055a9430@valeriewhite.org> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091223212528.055a9430@valeriewhite.org> From: aine.maire@gmail.com Message-ID: <80de162a0912231910m5910f89s7ceb92576e45fd7@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:10:59 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:10:36 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:10:59 -0000 What an amazing article and interviews! I plan on sharing this with everyone I know. Thank you for sharing and for sitting for the interview. Annie:) On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 21:28, Valerie White wrote: > By a journalism student at Emerson College who took the train from > Boston to Sharon to interview me. Also includes fellow UUPA member > Desmond Ravenstone from Arlington St. Church. > > Valerie > > > > http://www.surviveandthriveboston.com/2009/12/polyamorous-community-seeks-mo.html > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From desmondravenstone@yahoo.com Wed Dec 23 22:27:47 2009 Received: from web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.38.83]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id nBO3RlaO009123 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:27:47 -0500 Received: (qmail 3569 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Dec 2009 03:27:47 -0000 Message-ID: <381480.2497.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: cltzTSEVM1m_bKykh_9f3GhN.pf1_c8MlrWnO5kKRIq2F5tTo9LMKVNOyFhXExRX51UK4.tLXGpipL9YTptIF1T1mpRUWldOBXSgboLGbSkbVgdDeyLxg9LKsuW4VSJ4f4Sc6HYJG2TsNJltvGImxg4HYVowWWnIY0H7u7hXnQpPzbBAPWPOvf3nfcryo5nKgQmBygF5LjB855A4F.kaeiYmy7JN.NRuqH72RDSWWWBh.r.nMyzXuMhXX6Za6sxiEpyOQ6n9nCLpem71pIVPZAzJ2fM0qScEmWisBtLxlMOFaK6fxlKMtpY7YSKhbCi.PN5gtqN_z.QoJTdAARD6r6pEdhgptHS1WJCu505G.P6ANWCpBtzGkkaNI9BSgjxqrjuCmU.WUqMxfv3Q5NKFZEs0o.hqFWsitNLRt0jVCma1D4T9hq7GlrtZ84AxcQ8SQRmg7mRVH9h.Xlz5PdlDhmj21bN7I2k9r.HwzpoHCxic3932iShhcdYuC43u4o_Bb_PX4YyrTscYW_p1.wvvjLsh3aJyztq.LBTceNCZn0hi.3uAjP5H.lA9.z7gwAibqtAghi6gR_dQjhp.ZRz9Ag7.YjWTGoeIbpGWaldTYGoOsfY- Received: from [72.60.44.251] by web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:27:47 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/9.0.20 YahooMailWebService/0.8.100.260964 From: Desmond Ravenstone To: uupoly-l@uupa.org In-Reply-To: <80de162a0912231910m5910f89s7ceb92576e45fd7@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by msb.ernest-doss.org id nBO3RlaO009123 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:27:47 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:27:47 -0800 (PST) X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:27:47 -0000 Was glad to do it. Lynette is a thoughtful, talented interviewer -- definitely a big plus in the ally camp! Desmond Ravenstone "What you call sin, I call the great spirit of love, which takes a thousand forms..." http://ravenstonesreflections.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone --- On Wed, 12/23/09, aine.maire@gmail.com wrote: > From: aine.maire@gmail.com > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:10 PM > What an amazing article and > interviews! I plan on sharing this with everyone > I know. Thank you for sharing and for sitting for the > interview. > > Annie:) > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 21:28, Valerie White wrote: > > > By a journalism student at Emerson College who took > the train from > > Boston to Sharon to interview me.  Also includes > fellow UUPA member > > Desmond Ravenstone from Arlington St. Church. > > > > Valerie > > > > > > > > http://www.surviveandthriveboston.com/2009/12/polyamorous-community-seeks-mo.html > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > reveal about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > From dakinitara@tantrikapath.com Wed Dec 23 22:35:55 2009 Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBO3YntF009903 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:35:55 -0500 Received: from HamsaPC ([72.95.50.80]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KV500FIL0L5UIW6@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for uupoly-l@uupa.org; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:34:20 -0600 (CST) Message-id: <8675AE7393514285835F3C64E082E7D6@HamsaPC> From: "Tara Shakti-Ma" To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20091223212528.055a9430@valeriewhite.org> In-reply-to: <7.0.1.0.2.20091223212528.055a9430@valeriewhite.org> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18005 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:35:55 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:34:18 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:35:55 -0000 I just shared this with the four groups you see below (it looks like 2, = but we also have Facebook groups by the same name) and the poly-Quakers = Yahoo group for which all of this is extremely relevant. Thank you for = sharing it. Namaste': Tara Shakti-Ma )O(=20 http://www.facebook.com/tara.shaktima =20 * Join us at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ExpansiveLoving/ - An = internationally serving on-line group for spiritually and new-paradigm = inclined poly-folk. We also have a companion group by the same name on = Facebook. =20 * New England Area Polyamory Network at = http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEAPN/ - Serving as a central resource for = poly-folk in and around the New England area...also with a companion = group on Facebook. =A9 Copyright Tara Shakti-Ma 2009 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Valerie White=20 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org=20 Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos By a journalism student at Emerson College who took the train from=20 Boston to Sharon to interview me. Also includes fellow UUPA member=20 Desmond Ravenstone from Arlington St. Church. Valerie = http://www.surviveandthriveboston.com/2009/12/polyamorous-community-seeks= -mo.html=20 _______________________________________________ The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about = yourself. UUPoly-L mailing list UUPoly-L@uupa.org http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l From aine.maire@gmail.com Wed Dec 23 22:44:56 2009 Received: from mail-iw0-f185.google.com (mail-iw0-f185.google.com [209.85.223.185]) by msb.ernest-doss.org (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id nBO3iu6N010826 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:44:56 -0500 Received: by iwn15 with SMTP id 15so5050092iwn.10 for ; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:44:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.61.195 with SMTP id u3mr617238ibh.12.1261626293085; Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:44:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <381480.2497.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <80de162a0912231910m5910f89s7ceb92576e45fd7@mail.gmail.com> <381480.2497.qm@web50507.mail.re2.yahoo.com> From: aine.maire@gmail.com Message-ID: <80de162a0912231944g6180e1cha5493631c9cb709f@mail.gmail.com> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.8 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos X-BeenThere: uupoly-l@uupa.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:44:56 -0000 X-Original-Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:44:33 -0500 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:44:56 -0000 I shared it with kinky & poly groups I am associated with in Cleveland. Annie:) On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 22:27, Desmond Ravenstone < desmondravenstone@yahoo.com> wrote: > Was glad to do it. Lynette is a thoughtful, talented interviewer -- > definitely a big plus in the ally camp! > > Desmond Ravenstone > > "What you call sin, I call the great spirit of love, which takes a thousand > forms..." > > http://ravenstonesreflections.blogspot.com > http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone > > > --- On Wed, 12/23/09, aine.maire@gmail.com wrote: > > > From: aine.maire@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] an interesting article with embedded videos > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org > > Date: Wednesday, December 23, 2009, 10:10 PM > > What an amazing article and > > interviews! I plan on sharing this with everyone > > I know. Thank you for sharing and for sitting for the > > interview. > > > > Annie:) > > > > On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 21:28, Valerie White >wrote: > > > > > By a journalism student at Emerson College who took > > the train from > > > Boston to Sharon to interview me. Also includes > > fellow UUPA member > > > Desmond Ravenstone from Arlington St. Church. > > > > > > Valerie > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.surviveandthriveboston.com/2009/12/polyamorous-community-seeks-mo.html > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to > > reveal about yourself. > > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal > > about yourself. > > UUPoly-L mailing list > > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > The UUPoly-L mailing list has public archives. > Please keep that in mind when deciding how much to reveal about yourself. > UUPoly-L mailing list > UUPoly-L@uupa.org > http://www.uupa.org/mailman/listinfo/uupoly-l >