Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly Def

["Timothy McKee" <mknd17@hotmail.com>]

List members:
I think the reason the two women who do not particularly like the word 
romance is due to the fact that there are negative connotations, partly due 
to past relationships/marriages that did not pan out quite the way they 
expected.  I for myself would not eschew the word romance, even though at 
times it is best that the use of the word  be somewhat muted in the early 
stages of a relationship.

The comment about Carlos Castaneda and astral sex is rather problematic for 
a number of reasons. Apparently the concept has never caught on among the 
millions of people that have read his writings. I was able to get someone to 
verify the practice on nagual.net several years ago, but there seems to be 
nothing on google about it.  I have engaged in it only three times in my 
life.  It seems somewhat like a vampire motif with a consensual exchange of 
some subtle energy, which is what Castaneda said it would do.  It seems to 
be useful in grief processing, with a man gently placing his solar plexus on 
the public bone of the woman.

I have not seen any comment in cyberspace aboutl correlation between 
Castaneda and polyamory, although some aspect of the warrior modality he 
espoused parallels the Troubador Codes from the Middle Ages, useful also 
perhaps for when one feels like a stranger in a strange land as many who 
identify with polyamory do.

Sorry about top posting.  I usually run a pretty bad sleep deficit, so I am 
not as neat perhaps as I should be in how I compose my e-mails.

Tim


> From: bear@pagansexcult.org
> Reply-To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly Def
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:31:05 -0800 (PST)
>
>
> > >From: "Fantine" <fantine@sonic.net>
>
> > >Romantic love, in my dictionary, implies sexual
> > >attraction.  I don't believe sexual attraction, whether
> > >acted upon or not, can be omitted from the definition
> > >of poly.  There are obviously many definitions of love,
> > >but polyamory is about romantic love.
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Timothy McKee top-posted;
>
> > Indeed my mileage varies as two women who love me do not particularly 
> like
> > the word "romance." And since Carlos Castaneda's definition of astral 
> sex
> > does not necessarily involve any skin contact whatsoever, even though 
> one
> > assume's the missionary position while engaging in it is it also "not 
> sex"
> > as relationships without "romance" may be excluded from the your view of
> > what polyamory is and is not?
>
>
> Sexual attraction is not sex.  I think maybe you misread the
> post to which you replied; she expressly said, "whether
> acted on or not."  Your response seems to indicate that you
> think sex is still implied in the use of "sexual attraction"
> in this definition.
>
> Classical "courtly love" is romance - an epitome of it, in
> many people's opinions.  And it is practiced "chastely, from
> afar," etc.  The key notion about it is that the people
> involved *are* (sexually) attracted to each other, but
> sublimate all that emotion into activities that, as you say,
> do "not necessarily involve any skin contact whatsoever."
>
>                             Bear
>
> -
> A. Yes.
> Q. Are you sure?
> A. Because it inverts the normal flow of conversation.
> Q. Why is top-posting bad?
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