Re: [UUPoly-L] Stirring the cultural cauldron

["David Hall" <airsafe1@comcast.net>]

It is well known that each and every improvement in communication, from the
hand written image or word to printing to moving images has, first and
foremost, been used for erotica. Hef didn't invent porn, or the Internet,
but learned how to make money from society's suppression of sexual material.
When sexual material is readily available to adults, as it is in many
European countries, sexual assault, rape, and other evils reduce. Read
"America's War on Sex" (http://ejhs.org/volume9/book38klein.htm for a
review) for a real eye opener.

For my money, it is the violent video games that are soaking up the male
energy in this country. Gosh, you can kill a hundred people between school
and dinner. Young males are not taught how to be polite and kind to young
women, but are taught fear about sex and to never, never have sex before
marriage or your dick will fall off and your brain will melt, etc. Of course
this is my opinion, ymmv.

It is the far right that seeks to suppress porn and other adult
entertainment for their political purposes. Thus forcing sex underground
except in ways they approve (married, het) and making porn more desirable
than it has any right to be, given how poorly made most of it is. Yes, it
trains our youth to expect unreasonable body image and sexual performance,
but where do they learn the truth. From Parents???? From school????

Returning soap box to storage again.
Dave

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[mailto:uupoly-l-bounces+airsafe1=comcast.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of jay m
Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2007 11:31 AM
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Subject: [UUPoly-L] Stirring the cultural cauldron


 
Hi everyone,
 
Well, I definitely intended to stir the pot and enjoyed reading all of the
replies.  I can't reply to all of the points posed but appreciate all of the
excellent references and fine points. 
 
However, I felt that Brigitte wrote an ad hominem attack directed at yours
truly, which was neither appreciated nor well-written for that matter. Full
sentences, please. 
 
I know that people can become really tough and acrid when cloaked through
the internet but please let's keep the conversation positive, such as David,
Truckee, Keith and Valerie did with their posting. Disagreements are fine,
but let's stay civil in our dialogue. 
 
Quickly, a few further points. 
 
My only intent was to point out that porn and polyamory are not correlated
and that was the gist of the previous post. Also, whether you like it or
not, pornography debased and objectifies women. Cosmopolitan and Glamour,
along with a great deal of TV, are simply Playboy and Hustler dressed to
look like a pig. 
 
Regarding societies that have a very lax attitude towards sex, porn and
nudity on TV, you will also see that they have the lowest birth rates of any
nation in the world. Now why would that be? Maybe because the men have a
notion of women as looking like they do in the adult films, magazines, video
games and when faced with the daunting task of actually meeting women, not
only are they disappointed to see that women actually have flaws and slight
imperfections but thanks to the internet and porn, they don't need them. 
 
Recently, on NPR, there was a show where they told of young boys who should
be meeting girls, or guys for some, but are instead drifting deeper into
cyberspace where they can see all of the porn they can visually handle, have
cyber relationships with girls and download all of the pics they needed for
off-line use (read masturbation). So, not only are they socially withdrawn
but even if they saw a pretty girl or women, they will not know how to
approach them and thanks to the internet and when they are older, hos, don't
need them.
 
Take care and I will write more when able.
 
Again, good points and I cede several points to Valerie's post. Thank you
for that thoughtful reply. 
 
P.S. The proliferation of porn didn't really start until Hugh Hefner and the
Internet and so I am not sure what that has to do with Brigitte's point
about prostitition in the past. Again, when writing, have a point, it makes
it much more interesting to the other readers.
 
 
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