Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly reality

[wabaldwin@aol.com]

 Oh I don't think I'm denying them anything - except my support. They can have their religious beliefs. If women have similar beliefs and want to marry them, I would not deny them their beliefs.
 
 But should I be expected to support men in forcing girls to marry them against their will? I don't think so.
 
 I will agree that we must be very careful if we try to impose cultural values on other people.
 
 But I have my own cultural values -- and I don't have to support everybody else's. *Not supporting* their values is not the same as *imposing* my own.
   
 The question I have is, how do *you* decide what society can impose or can't? You say sexual slavery should *always* be illegal -- but claim that is a "totally different topic".
 
 I'll concede, if the wives (or husbands) don't want to be equal, I wouldn't force them to be. But I don't think these are "totally different topics". The question is, how do people decide what can or can't be imposed, while respecting religious and philosophical freedom and differences?
 
 Bill
  
 -----Original Message-----
 From: catdeville@cox.net
 To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
 Sent: Fri, 18 May 2007 11:06 PM
 Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly reality
 
  Bill said:
> Technically, I suppose I do support their desire to have mulitiple wives
-- but 
> only equal, consenting, wives. 

And by what right do you feel it's permissible for you to divest them of
their religious freedoms, or to impose your cultural values on them?
Consensual I can get behind, but deciding that another culture or religion
can "only" exercise their religious freedoms if it doesn't offend your
sensibilities goes beyond the pale for me. 

> ...when and if we are allowed polyamorous and gender-inclusive marriage. 

Personally, I support both their right to religious freedom, and their right
to freedom of association, therefore I _have_ to support their "desire to
have multiple wives" even if it does not appear "equal" to me.  I do not
support non-consensual sexual slavery no matter how it occurs, and that's an
entirely different topic.  From my POV, one (the latter) should *always* be
illegal, the others (the right to embrace the sanctity and sacrament of
marriage with who one wills, and the freedom to have religious beliefs which
differ from the mainstream) should never be restricted by the government.
>From my POV freedom of religion, freedom of association and freedom from
sexual slavery are *all* social justice issues.

NT, 
Cat


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