Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly reality

["Fantine" <fantine@sonic.net>]

This (indirectly) is the best argument yet for joining
forces with other polygamous groups: simply because
they outnumber us worldwide.

Now, if they only recognized and supported us!
Doubtful.

Although we share form with them (multiple
relationships), I think there is another issue that
separates us.  The *spirit* of most polygyny is
patriarchy; the *spirit* of polyamory is equality of
partners.  When one has multiple polyamorous partners,
one reciprocally extends the right of the partners also
to have multiple partners (sometimes of both sexes).
The reciprocity and equality are not features of
polygyny as I know of it, and this belies the civil
rights of the multiple wives.  There is more a tendency
for the central male to consider he *owns* his wives.

I find it hard to support patriarchy in any form.  And
I believe it would be hard for most proponents of
patriarchal systems to view us as cohorts.  The
religiously inspired ones merely see us as
abominations.  I do not envision any coalition of
forces for the furtherance of civil rights.

	Francesca

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Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Poly reality


Bill wrote:> I have no problem *in theory* in
supporting the right of a man to have several 
> wives

Sorry, I was re-reading a few OLD posts and this
"theory" sentence struck me, overlooked it before.
I apologize Bill, because I know taking it out of
context, changes some of what your really said.
But, I'm wondering just how many members/posters here
at UUPA actually support "plural marriages"?

Is it just a theory for you, or do you recognize the
reality that there ARE plural marriages today, in the
USA.  For most of human history it was legal, and
common.  Polygamy is still very common in African
tribal communities, and of course it's legal in the
Moslem world (1 Billion Moslems, folks).

So, are we for or against plural marriages?  Are some
polys really only interested in "dating around", and
not marrying?  If you do marry, are you only a swinger,
or swapper?  Not interested in having several husbands
or several wives?

Cat already mentioned CAW (Church of All Worlds).  It's
not a very large group, but CAW represents the larger
Pagan/Heathen or Wiccan communities, where
"hand-fastings" are considered valid, and polyamory is
an acceptable choice.  In fact many are already in
existing plural marriages in CAW and some other Pagan
covens.   Some have been around since the 1970's. 

One of the UU Principles, as I recall, is to honor and
be tolerant of "Earth Centered" or pagan traditions.
Many native Americans have practiced plural marriages
from time to time.  Thus, why is it that only in the
Home of the Brave, Land of the Free, people say "in
theory", rather than support those who practice the
reality??  Well?
Dave
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