Re: [UUPoly-L] Google Knol Article for Polyamory




Jim,

Thanks for the clarification.

(I'm so behind the times that I don't know what is meant by a "Google Knol Article". Google and article I understand, but "Knol" is not part of my vocabulary.)

The statements: "Swinging, specifically, is recreational sex with no emotion tied to it. The swinging community usually has rules against forming tight emotional relationships with others with which you swing." are so contrary to my decades of swinging/poly experiences that I have to discount the author completely. Now I know YOU are not the author. :-)

Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Turner" <jim@swankin-turner.com>
To: <uupoly-l@uupa.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Google Knol Article for Polyamory



Chuck,

Sorry to be misleading. The material about swinging presented is quoted from

"There has been a Google Knol article created for Polyamory.
http://knol.google.com/k/james-oneill/polyamory/3czmgkncteg8o/2#";


I foolishly thought that the subject line of my email would connect the material quoted from that
article to my question "thoughts?"


I appriciate your comments.

Jim


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From: uupoly-l-bounces+jim=swankin-turner.com@uupa.org [uupoly-l-bounces+jim=swankin-turner.com@uupa.org] On Behalf Of CWLee [cwlee@post.harvard.edu]
Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 6:03 PM
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Google Knol Article for Polyamory


"Jim Turner" <jim@swankin-turner.com> wrote:

Swinging is not polyamory and this subject is many times a
sore spot when poly people are speaking with non-polys
about what polyamory is. Swinging, specifically, is
recreational sex with no emotion tied to it. The swinging
community usually has rules against forming tight
emotional relationships with others with which you swing.
Sometimes people who swing often tire of sex for the
pleasure of sex and wish a more emotional connection with
those they share such intimate experience with, and find
themselves drifting away from swinging and into the
wonderful and challenging world polyamory.

This is all not to say that polyamorists cannot also be
swingers, they can, but both are circles are usually kept
separate, not only because of philosophical differences,
but because swinging has such a negative connotation
associated with it from its '70's origination.
Contemporary thought is that swinging is wrong and
immoral; stigmatized by a puritanical social majority and
is something that is wanted to be avoided as a comparison
with polyamory while polyamory is working towards
mainstream acceptance.

You could have an Open Triad where the relationship
agreement states that swinging is OK, and one or more of
the participants engages in swinging. Their specific (Open
Triad) relationship would still be polyamorous, but the
relationship with the swinging partners would not be.

Thoughts?

My thought is that if you had prefaced your comments with
something like "in my opinion," or "in my own experience"
then you would have sounded like a reasonable person sharing
his own views and experience. But, since you provide no
substantiation for your dogmantic statements, you sound to
me more like a right- or left-wing fanatic 100% convinced
that his view is the only acceptable one and must not be
questioned.


You might consider working on your presentation style,
depending on how you want readers to perceive you.

Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
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CWLee
Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to sacred
cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not quotas, and
promote for performance, not preferences.





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