Re: [UUPoly-L] "Deflowering" (was RE: enough already)

[Thomas <slowpilot@gmail.com>]

Thank you Cat. I agree with you. Any other definition of deflowering is
ridiculous. There is always a "first time" experience for men. It may be
meaningful or emotional, but it is not "deflowering".
Thomas

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:32 AM, Catherine Deville <catdeville@cox.net>wrote:

> What really gets me about this whole discussion is that you're entirely
> ignoring history, and the whole *connotation* behind what "deflowering"
> was,
> and why it can only happen to women.
>
> Someone said that they didn't understand why female virginity was so
> important in our culture, and that statement in and of itself ignores
> millennia of history and decades of feminist awareness.
>
> Folks, men can't be "deflowered" because they have no hymen.  Women are not
> "deflowered" by any act accept vaginal sex which penetrates the hymen.  And
> the reason that this is important is that a woman who is not "virgo
> intacta"
> is worthless as a bride, since there is no assurance that any heir she
> bears
> will belong to *you*. And that blows away the entire structure of
> patrilineal inheritance.
>
> And *that's* why female virginity is important in this (and many other,
> patriarchal, cultures), and it's also why only women can be "deflowered".
> Because a man cannot be "despoiled" by sexual intercourse.
>
> So, the whole reason why men can't be deflowered, is because they're not
> the
> ones who are chattel.  They're not the ones who were used for millennia as
> brood mares. And who had access to their bodies was not relevant in
> determining their value.
>
> What's the quote?  "Those who ignore (or forget) history, are doomed to
> repeat it?"
>
> NT,
> Cat
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> In a message dated 9/30/2008 4:50:36 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> licorice.gumdrop@gmail.com writes:
>
> now,  back to the male deflowering question: it would depend which part
> of  the anatomy was involved, wouldn't it?
>
>
> I suppose that *I* don't really mean physical "deflowering" at all.
>
> I just mean, "the first time you had sex" -- still leading back to your
> question, really.
>
> I had anal sex and manual sex and oral sex several years before I had
> vaginal sex.
>
> So, if people ask when I "lost my virginity".....what do I say???????
> Which
> act "deflowered" me??
>
> And does it really matter?  And why??  And is the question any  different
> for
> women?
>
> (ps -- all the actions in question did involve the same body part, for me!
> <grin>...just not for them)
>
> Bill
>
>
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Thomas
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