Re: [UUPoly-L] "Deflowering" (was RE: enough already)

Cat,

Just one question: who are you referring to when you use the term we? Some people may not agree with your position (right or wrong) and that can be construed as pushing your opinion on others which, whether intended or not, results in something not very UU in my personal opinion. That said, there is a good bit of what you have posted that I can not disagree with regardless of how it may come across because of my personal views of the world. I don't post much but felt strongly that I should as it seems to me, in my humble view, that much of the issue is a perceptual issue rather than a disagreement of core values or beliefs. Alright, I have met my one post per year quota so back to being a wallflower I go.

Best,
G


On Oct 1, 2008, at 7:57 AM, "Catherine Deville" <catdeville@cox.net> wrote:

Again, context... I am speaking in the context that this is a *historical*
cultural precedent. Of course it is changing. That's something women have
been fighting for over the last few centuries. And we've finally started
making progress. But this is where the precedent *comes* from.

And if we ignore that... if we ignore the historical context, the reason
that these cultural "norms" exist, then we have not learned a thing, and
will not be able to move forward. Indeed, the moment that we forget that
this is the way that things "are", the more likely it becomes that we will
move backward.

Anecdotally I also recognize that there are people who no longer care, who
don't consider a woman "despoiled" by no longer having an intact hymen. Yet
there are still people who *do* care... and that's the worrisome thing.
Until we all let go of all of the many manifestations of the sexual double
standard, women (as a group) will never be free of being thought of as
child-bearers first, and anything else last. Until we acknowledge and move
away from all of the traditions connected to that custom, women will never
truly be free or equal partners.

NT,
Cat

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In a message dated 9/30/2008 11:38:28 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
catdeville@cox.net writes:

And *that's* why female virginity is important in this (and many other,
patriarchal, cultures), and it's also why only women can be "deflowered".
Because a man cannot be "despoiled" by sexual intercourse.


Except that, to many people, I sense (no - I'm not providing a citation for

this claim!) that it *doesn't* matter.


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