Re: [UUPoly-L] Amazon and Eggs!?!?!?

from the various posts I've seen on the #amazonfail debacle, their trust in crowdsourcing seems only to be part of the problem. there are reports from authors & publishers (dating back several months) that amazon.com itself categorized certain books as "adult," leaving them out of the sales ranking and impeding their identification through keyword searches.

at the end of the day, the lack of unified messaging on what happened and how it is fixed leaves some egg on amazon.com's face... which may present vegans with some problems.

- AJ

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sent from a mobile device - please forgive any thumb-related spelling errors.

On Apr 13, 2009, at 7:06 PM, "Catherine Deville" <CatDeville@cox.net> wrote:

OK, I'm sorry... I see what you're saying about the power of protest being an important thing... but I don't get the idea that
vegans did so to get the *percentage* of eggs in Boca reduced. If a product has *any* eggs in it, that product is not a vegan
product (and I'm not talking "legal" definitions here, which might allow such, I'm talking from the viewpoint of an actual
*vegan*... just as a product can't be kinda kosher)... it might qualify as vegetarian, but not vegan. Vegans don't eat eggs. Ovo
and Ovo-Lacto vegetarians eat eggs.

I'd think that you'd be pushing Boca to remove the eggs entirely so that you could eat the Boca burgers, so that they would, indeed,
qualify as vegan.

But back to Amazon.com... Amazon's real flaw here is also one of their strengths... They are largely community driven... their
system allows a lot of things to be controlled by the community. I think that what they're learning is that things like
"classification" of books can't be left to the community, not in the way that they've been doing it, if it's subject to this kind of
abuse. And I have no doubt that community feedback will heavily impact the way that they resolve this situation - and it *is* a
situation that they've got a good deal of investment in resolving, as their response at this point indicates. So I'd recommend that
positive, diplomatic communications pointing out that it's better business for Amazon to be neutrally balanced when it comes to such
things and that leaving it open to community classification doesn't do that would be more effective, at least at this point, in
resolving the situation, than pushing the idea of boycotts at this point would be.

Never Thirst,
Cat

-----Original Message-----
From: uupoly-l-bounces+catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org [mailto:uupoly-l-bounces +catdeville=cox.net@uupa.org] On Behalf Of
sablehairangel@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 12:16 PM
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!?

My example was pertaining to one petition list that was set up towards Boca. If you're arguing over the fact if eggs are worth
fighting the reduction for, I am vegan and therefore keeping Boca, a leading producer of vegan burgers, vegan is important to me. I
was simply stating that something similar could be done towards Amazon.com

Thank you Brigitte for your input as well.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Brigitte Fires" <brigittefires@gmail.com>
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:14:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Eggs!?!?!?

People who are trying to avoid animal products, reduce cholesterol*,
and feel that most chickens are treated horrendously would feel it's a
VERY important thing. We all have different priorities, and I feel
it's important to avoid making comments that minimalize the worth of
someone else's opinions.

* Mind you, it's been shown that eating eggs regularly actually helps
reduce cholesterol. Eggs don't have a lot of dietary cholesterol,
they're a complete protein (meaning they don't need other foods to
create a protein source), and it's been proven that dietary
cholesterol has very little impact on overall LDL levels. Also, they
have enzymes that break down more cholesterol than they have in them.

Brigitte

On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Boyd Smith <boydw.smith@yahoo.com> wrote:

Do you mean chicken eggs? Is that a real, important thing? Who cares about chicken eggs? Unless they are are not prepared
correctly then it is a danger. They should be cooked correctly to prevent salmonella. 

BWS

--- On Sun, 4/12/09, sablehairangel@comcast.net <sablehairangel@comcast.net > wrote:

From: sablehairangel@comcast.net <sablehairangel@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Date: Sunday, April 12, 2009, 7:06 PM
I am deeply appalled by this. Is
there some way Interweave can coordinate a mass direction
action, such as a webpage to set up a small email to
amazon.com's CEO or something? Something similar was done
with Veg.com when Boca was going to increase it's eggs in
their products and we actually got them to decrease the eggs
significantly (down to 3%) by 2010! I use Amazon.com A LOT
for random things.



----- Original Message -----
From: "Desmond Ravenstone" <desmondravenstone@yahoo.com>

To: uupoly-l@uupa.org

Sent: Sunday, April 12, 2009 7:52:20 PM GMT -05:00
US/Canada Eastern
Subject: [UUPoly-L] Anti-gay discrimination on Amazon.com


Have just been alerted via Interweave (the GLBT caucus for
Unitarian Universalists) that Amazon.com has been stripping
sales rankings off of many GLBT books, including books by or
about famous GLBT folks like Stephen Fry and Ellen
DeGeneres.

Result: They become harder to find on searches on the site.


The "reason": Amazon.com considers such content as
"adult" and therefore no longer worthy of a sales
ranking.

Meanwhile, books not considered adult include:
"The Complete Idiot's Guide to Amazing Sex"
"Ron Jeremy: The Hardest Working Man in Showbiz"
"Traci Lords: Underneath It All" "Playboy: The
Complete Centerfolds"
"A Parent's Guide to Preventing Homosexuality" and a
number of other "ex-gay" books

There has been a great deal of outraged chatter, including
many people pledging to boycott the site altogether.

You can find out more at this blog:
http://jezebel.com/5209088/why-is-amazon-censoring-gay-and-lesbian-books


Desmond Ravenstone

"Do not do unto others as you expect they should do unto
you. Their tastes may not be the same." -- George Bernard
Shaw

http://www.myspace.com/desmond_ravenstone





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