Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1

I am partially still of older ethics concerning abortion. I love babies and want to make more of them when I find the right fertile woman for myself. 
To me this doctor was a joke of a christian, killing babies [while being an usher at church on Sundays] in last trimester term who should have been put up for adoption. They are fully formed, fully human, not a stupid valueless term called fetus. While babies are being killed every 10 seconds 

there are tear jerking commericals on TV for mistreated pet animals: cats and dogs telling pets are mistreated every 10 seconds, 

while at the same time, millions of babies are aborted.....duhhhh WTF!!!???

Roe vrs Wade, three months later, TADAAA: Fish and Wildlife Preservation ACT {including plants}

Sorry, I think some things have gone off center too much numb non-thinking. The guy who shot the doctor had enough conviction as well as the doctor who thought he was doing a great service killing the unborn human. Fetus is a catch phrase to lessen the guilt of what is done. The new behind the skin untra sound/vision equipment says it all, shows it all.  

Then all these cat/dog tear jerking commercials wanting people to feel sorry for the animals, true that is a cruel thing to do to animals, how much more

to tear apart a baby as if it were dung being disected? If any comments come back blasting me well ya'll know what you can do. SEX is one thing, multi wives/husbands is another thing - IT was not wrong in the Old Testament, was not considered wrong until Mr. ST. Paul gave out macho ideas against woman and anti sex the convenient bad translations used in KJV.  Yes I am opinionated too, not a follower of BS following the crowd group think feeling sorry for this doctor.  If freedom of my speech is not welcom, owell...

regards Jim,

     
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> Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:00:11 -0400
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> Today's Topics:
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> 1. Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Christine Heinsohn)
> 2. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (CWLee)
> 3. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Maria Snyder)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:51:39 -0500
> From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>, <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <uupoly-l@uupa.org>, <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <harp@yahoogroups.com>, <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
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> I think it's appropriate for the poly community to think about and talk
> about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good physician who stood for his
> principles and would not back down from what he thought was right even
> after being shot in the early 90's and being harassed by Kansas's former
> Attorney General. I hope I can stand as steadfastly on my principles. May
> I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the transparent tattered veils
> of religion wherever I find it.
> 
> 
> 
> Christine Heinsohn
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:39 -0700
> From: "CWLee" <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> To: <uupoly-l@uupa.org>, <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>, <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <harp@yahoogroups.com>, <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
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> 
> OK, here are my comments:
> 
> 1. Murder is a crime. The suspect(s) deserves a fair trial 
> and, if found guilty, punishment. I generally favor capital 
> punishment for murder.
> 
> 2. I know of no connection between this murder and poly 
> issues, so I don't understand why the poly community has any 
> more concerns or need to speak out about this than any other 
> subset of society.
> 
> 3. The victim is described as someone "who stood for his
> principles and would not back down from what he thought was 
> right". Although I know nothing about the suspect(s) in 
> this case, the same statement ("he stood for his principles 
> and would not back down from what he thought was right") can 
> be made about some previous killers/shooters of abortion 
> facilitators.
> 
> 4. Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally, to know 
> when to accept, for the good of the greater society, laws 
> with which we personally disagree - and when to stand by our 
> principles and disobey the laws of society. That applies to 
> both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> 
> Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be ignored.
> 
> Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> 
> ----------
> CWLee
> Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to sacred
> cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not quotas, and
> promote for performance, not preferences.
> 
> ========================
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>; <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>; 
> <uupoly-l@uupa.org>; <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>; 
> <harp@yahoogroups.com>; <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> 
> 
> >I think it's appropriate for the poly community to think 
> >about and talk
> > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good physician who 
> > stood for his
> > principles and would not back down from what he thought 
> > was right even
> > after being shot in the early 90's and being harassed by 
> > Kansas's former
> > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as steadfastly on my 
> > principles. May
> > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the 
> > transparent tattered veils
> > of religion wherever I find it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Christine Heinsohn
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Maria Snyder <miss_faery_maria@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> Message-ID: <182880.55970.qm@web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> While I don't know about all the poly groups that were copied on this, I do think that this is an issue that is near and dear to many UU's, as Dr.Tiller stood up for reproductive rights. As a Kansan, a UU, a Dir. of Religious Ed., and a mom?I am interested in?the topic and?I think that Christine's thoughts are relevent to?at least the UU group. 
> ?
> Maria?
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/31/09, CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org, KanPoly@yahoogroups.com, OKPoly@yahoogroups.com, mwpoly@yahoogroups.com, harp@yahoogroups.com, wnypoly@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:13 PM
> 
> 
> 
> OK, here are my comments:
> 
> 1.? Murder is a crime.? The suspect(s) deserves a fair trial 
> and, if found guilty, punishment.? I generally favor capital 
> punishment for murder.
> 
> 2.? I know of no connection between this murder and poly 
> issues, so I don't understand why the poly community has any 
> more concerns or need to speak out about this than any other 
> subset of society.
> 
> 3.? The victim is described as someone "who stood for his
> principles and would not back down from what he thought was 
> right".? Although I know nothing about the suspect(s) in 
> this case, the same statement ("he stood for his principles 
> and would not back down from what he thought was right") can 
> be made about some previous killers/shooters of abortion 
> facilitators.
> 
> 4.? Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally, to know 
> when to accept, for the good of the greater society, laws 
> with which we personally disagree - and when to stand by our 
> principles and disobey the laws of society.? That applies to 
> both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> 
> Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be ignored.
> 
> Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> 
> ----------
> CWLee
> Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to sacred
> cows.? Believing we should hire for quality, not quotas, and
> promote for performance, not preferences.
> 
> ========================
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>; <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>; 
> <uupoly-l@uupa.org>; <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>; 
> <harp@yahoogroups.com>; <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> 
> 
> >I think it's appropriate for the poly community to think 
> >about and talk
> > about this murder.? Dr. Tiller was a good physician who 
> > stood for his
> > principles and would not back down from what? he thought 
> > was right even
> > after being shot in the early 90's and being harassed by 
> > Kansas's former
> > Attorney General.? I hope I can stand as steadfastly on my 
> > principles.? May
> > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the 
> > transparent tattered veils
> > of religion wherever I find it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Christine Heinsohn
> 
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