Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1

Boyd Smith <boydw.smith@yahoo.com> · Tue, 02 Jun 2009 02:19:24 -0000

The phrase "unborn human" is a contradiction in terms.  There is no such thing as an unborn human.  No such thing exists.

BWS

--- On Mon, 6/1/09, James F <hazelstars@msn.com> wrote:

> From: James F <hazelstars@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 7:15 PM
> 
> I am partially still of older ethics concerning abortion. I
> love babies and want to make more of them when I find the
> right fertile woman for myself. 
> To me this doctor was a joke of a christian, killing babies
> [while being an usher at church on Sundays] in last
> trimester term who should have been put up for adoption.
> They are fully formed, fully human, not a stupid valueless
> term called fetus. While babies are being killed every 10
> seconds 
> 
> there are tear jerking commericals on TV for mistreated pet
> animals: cats and dogs telling pets are mistreated every 10
> seconds, 
> 
> while at the same time, millions of babies are
> aborted.....duhhhh WTF!!!???
> 
> Roe vrs Wade, three months later, TADAAA: Fish and Wildlife
> Preservation ACT {including plants}
> 
> Sorry, I think some things have gone off center too much
> numb non-thinking. The guy who shot the doctor had enough
> conviction as well as the doctor who thought he was doing a
> great service killing the unborn human. Fetus is a catch
> phrase to lessen the guilt of what is done. The new behind
> the skin untra sound/vision equipment says it all, shows it
> all.  
> 
> Then all these cat/dog tear jerking commercials wanting
> people to feel sorry for the animals, true that is a cruel
> thing to do to animals, how much more
> 
> to tear apart a baby as if it were dung being disected? If
> any comments come back blasting me well ya'll know what you
> can do. SEX is one thing, multi wives/husbands is another
> thing - IT was not wrong in the Old Testament, was not
> considered wrong until Mr. ST. Paul gave out macho ideas
> against woman and anti sex the convenient bad translations
> used in KJV.  Yes I am opinionated too, not a follower
> of BS following the crowd group think feeling sorry for this
> doctor.  If freedom of my speech is not welcom,
> owell...
> 
> regards Jim,
> 
>      
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> > Subject: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
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> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:00:11 -0400
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> > Today's Topics:
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> > 1. Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Christine Heinsohn)
> > 2. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (CWLee)
> > 3. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Maria Snyder)
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:51:39 -0500
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
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> > 
> > I think it's appropriate for the poly community to
> think about and talk
> > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good physician who
> stood for his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was right even
> > after being shot in the early 90's and being harassed
> by Kansas's former
> > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as steadfastly on
> my principles. May
> > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the
> transparent tattered veils
> > of religion wherever I find it.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Christine Heinsohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:39 -0700
> > From: "CWLee" <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > To: <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Message-ID:
> <BE5F40C567194BBE973DF3864E39E89D@System4>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> > 
> > 
> > OK, here are my comments:
> > 
> > 1. Murder is a crime. The suspect(s) deserves a fair
> trial 
> > and, if found guilty, punishment. I generally favor
> capital 
> > punishment for murder.
> > 
> > 2. I know of no connection between this murder and
> poly 
> > issues, so I don't understand why the poly community
> has any 
> > more concerns or need to speak out about this than any
> other 
> > subset of society.
> > 
> > 3. The victim is described as someone "who stood for
> his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was 
> > right". Although I know nothing about the suspect(s)
> in 
> > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> principles 
> > and would not back down from what he thought was
> right") can 
> > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> abortion 
> > facilitators.
> > 
> > 4. Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally, to
> know 
> > when to accept, for the good of the greater society,
> laws 
> > with which we personally disagree - and when to stand
> by our 
> > principles and disobey the laws of society. That
> applies to 
> > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> > 
> > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> ignored.
> > 
> > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> > 
> > ----------
> > CWLee
> > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to
> sacred
> > cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not
> quotas, and
> > promote for performance, not preferences.
> > 
> > ========================
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> 
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> 
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > 
> > 
> > >I think it's appropriate for the poly community to
> think 
> > >about and talk
> > > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good
> physician who 
> > > stood for his
> > > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought 
> > > was right even
> > > after being shot in the early 90's and being
> harassed by 
> > > Kansas's former
> > > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as
> steadfastly on my 
> > > principles. May
> > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the
> 
> > > transparent tattered veils
> > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christine Heinsohn
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > ------------------------------
> > 
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Maria Snyder <miss_faery_maria@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> > Message-ID: <182880.55970.qm@web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > 
> > While I don't know about all the poly groups that were
> copied on this, I do think that this is an issue that is
> near and dear to many UU's, as Dr.Tiller stood up for
> reproductive rights. As a Kansan, a UU, a Dir. of Religious
> Ed., and a mom?I am interested in?the topic and?I think that
> Christine's thoughts are relevent to?at least the UU group.
> 
> > ?
> > Maria?
> > 
> > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org,
> KanPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> OKPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> mwpoly@yahoogroups.com,
> harp@yahoogroups.com,
> wnypoly@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:13 PM
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > OK, here are my comments:
> > 
> > 1.? Murder is a crime.? The suspect(s) deserves a fair
> trial 
> > and, if found guilty, punishment.? I generally favor
> capital 
> > punishment for murder.
> > 
> > 2.? I know of no connection between this murder and
> poly 
> > issues, so I don't understand why the poly community
> has any 
> > more concerns or need to speak out about this than any
> other 
> > subset of society.
> > 
> > 3.? The victim is described as someone "who stood for
> his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was 
> > right".? Although I know nothing about the suspect(s)
> in 
> > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> principles 
> > and would not back down from what he thought was
> right") can 
> > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> abortion 
> > facilitators.
> > 
> > 4.? Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally, to
> know 
> > when to accept, for the good of the greater society,
> laws 
> > with which we personally disagree - and when to stand
> by our 
> > principles and disobey the laws of society.? That
> applies to 
> > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> > 
> > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> ignored.
> > 
> > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> > 
> > ----------
> > CWLee
> > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited to
> sacred
> > cows.? Believing we should hire for quality, not
> quotas, and
> > promote for performance, not preferences.
> > 
> > ========================
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> 
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> 
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > 
> > 
> > >I think it's appropriate for the poly community to
> think 
> > >about and talk
> > > about this murder.? Dr. Tiller was a good
> physician who 
> > > stood for his
> > > principles and would not back down from what? he
> thought 
> > > was right even
> > > after being shot in the early 90's and being
> harassed by 
> > > Kansas's former
> > > Attorney General.? I hope I can stand as
> steadfastly on my 
> > > principles.? May
> > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in the
> 
> > > transparent tattered veils
> > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christine Heinsohn
> > 
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