Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1

Boyd Smith <boydw.smith@yahoo.com> · Wed, 03 Jun 2009 01:00:43 -0000

Meaning you have studied it?

oooooh!  That is interesting.  I wish I knew more about it.  I know for a fact that I screw up things by not saying what I mean better and more clearly or precisely.

BWS

--- On Mon, 6/1/09, CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu> wrote:

> From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:03 PM
> 
> "Boyd Smith" <boydw.smith@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > The phrase "unborn human" is a contradiction in terms.
> 
> > There is no such thing as an unborn human.  No
> such thing 
> > exists.
> 
> Semantics is one of the fields of study I found most 
> enlightening.
> 
> Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> 
> ============================
> 
> BWS
> 
> --- On Mon, 6/1/09, James F <hazelstars@msn.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: James F <hazelstars@msn.com>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue
> 1
> > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> > Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 7:15 PM
> >
> > I am partially still of older ethics concerning
> abortion. 
> > I
> > love babies and want to make more of them when I find
> the
> > right fertile woman for myself.
> > To me this doctor was a joke of a christian, killing 
> > babies
> > [while being an usher at church on Sundays] in last
> > trimester term who should have been put up for
> adoption.
> > They are fully formed, fully human, not a stupid
> valueless
> > term called fetus. While babies are being killed every
> 10
> > seconds
> >
> > there are tear jerking commericals on TV for
> mistreated 
> > pet
> > animals: cats and dogs telling pets are mistreated
> every 
> > 10
> > seconds,
> >
> > while at the same time, millions of babies are
> > aborted.....duhhhh WTF!!!???
> >
> > Roe vrs Wade, three months later, TADAAA: Fish and 
> > Wildlife
> > Preservation ACT {including plants}
> >
> > Sorry, I think some things have gone off center too
> much
> > numb non-thinking. The guy who shot the doctor had
> enough
> > conviction as well as the doctor who thought he was
> doing 
> > a
> > great service killing the unborn human. Fetus is a
> catch
> > phrase to lessen the guilt of what is done. The new
> behind
> > the skin untra sound/vision equipment says it all,
> shows 
> > it
> > all.
> >
> > Then all these cat/dog tear jerking commercials
> wanting
> > people to feel sorry for the animals, true that is a
> cruel
> > thing to do to animals, how much more
> >
> > to tear apart a baby as if it were dung being
> disected? If
> > any comments come back blasting me well ya'll know
> what 
> > you
> > can do. SEX is one thing, multi wives/husbands is
> another
> > thing - IT was not wrong in the Old Testament, was
> not
> > considered wrong until Mr. ST. Paul gave out macho
> ideas
> > against woman and anti sex the convenient bad
> translations
> > used in KJV. Yes I am opinionated too, not a follower
> > of BS following the crowd group think feeling sorry
> for 
> > this
> > doctor. If freedom of my speech is not welcom,
> > owell...
> >
> > regards Jim,
> >
> >
> > > From: uupoly-l-request@uupa.org
> > > Subject: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
> > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> > > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:00:11 -0400
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Christine
> Heinsohn)
> > > 2. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (CWLee)
> > > 3. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Maria Snyder)
> > >
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> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:51:39 -0500
> > > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> > <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Message-ID:
> > <003a01c9e263$ef229330$cd67b990$@net>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> > >
> > > I think it's appropriate for the poly community
> to
> > think about and talk
> > > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good
> physician who
> > stood for his
> > > principles and would not back down from what he
> > thought was right even
> > > after being shot in the early 90's and being
> harassed
> > by Kansas's former
> > > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as
> steadfastly on
> > my principles. May
> > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in
> the
> > transparent tattered veils
> > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christine Heinsohn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:39 -0700
> > > From: "CWLee" <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
> Murder
> > > To: <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> > <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Message-ID:
> > <BE5F40C567194BBE973DF3864E39E89D@System4>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> > charset="iso-8859-1";
> > > reply-type=original
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, here are my comments:
> > >
> > > 1. Murder is a crime. The suspect(s) deserves a
> fair
> > trial
> > > and, if found guilty, punishment. I generally
> favor
> > capital
> > > punishment for murder.
> > >
> > > 2. I know of no connection between this murder
> and
> > poly
> > > issues, so I don't understand why the poly
> community
> > has any
> > > more concerns or need to speak out about this
> than any
> > other
> > > subset of society.
> > >
> > > 3. The victim is described as someone "who stood
> for
> > his
> > > principles and would not back down from what he
> > thought was
> > > right". Although I know nothing about the
> suspect(s)
> > in
> > > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> > principles
> > > and would not back down from what he thought was
> > right") can
> > > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> > abortion
> > > facilitators.
> > >
> > > 4. Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally,
> to
> > know
> > > when to accept, for the good of the greater
> society,
> > laws
> > > with which we personally disagree - and when to
> stand
> > by our
> > > principles and disobey the laws of society. That
> > applies to
> > > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> > >
> > > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> > ignored.
> > >
> > > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > CWLee
> > > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited
> to
> > sacred
> > > cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not
> > quotas, and
> > > promote for performance, not preferences.
> > >
> > > ========================
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> >
> > > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> > <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> >
> > > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > >
> > >
> > > >I think it's appropriate for the poly
> community to
> > think
> > > >about and talk
> > > > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good
> > physician who
> > > > stood for his
> > > > principles and would not back down from what
> he
> > thought
> > > > was right even
> > > > after being shot in the early 90's and
> being
> > harassed by
> > > > Kansas's former
> > > > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as
> > steadfastly on my
> > > > principles. May
> > > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed
> in the
> >
> > > > transparent tattered veils
> > > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christine Heinsohn
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > > From: Maria Snyder <miss_faery_maria@yahoo.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
> Murder
> > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> > > Message-ID: 
> > > <182880.55970.qm@web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> > >
> > > While I don't know about all the poly groups that
> were
> > copied on this, I do think that this is an issue that
> is
> > near and dear to many UU's, as Dr.Tiller stood up for
> > reproductive rights. As a Kansan, a UU, a Dir. of 
> > Religious
> > Ed., and a mom?I am interested in?the topic and?I
> think 
> > that
> > Christine's thoughts are relevent to?at least the UU 
> > group.
> >
> > > ?
> > > Maria?
> > >
> > > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
> Murder
> > > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org,
> > KanPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> > OKPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> > mwpoly@yahoogroups.com,
> > harp@yahoogroups.com,
> > wnypoly@yahoogroups.com
> > > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:13 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > OK, here are my comments:
> > >
> > > 1.? Murder is a crime.? The suspect(s) deserves a
> fair
> > trial
> > > and, if found guilty, punishment.? I generally
> favor
> > capital
> > > punishment for murder.
> > >
> > > 2.? I know of no connection between this murder
> and
> > poly
> > > issues, so I don't understand why the poly
> community
> > has any
> > > more concerns or need to speak out about this
> than any
> > other
> > > subset of society.
> > >
> > > 3.? The victim is described as someone "who stood
> for
> > his
> > > principles and would not back down from what he
> > thought was
> > > right".? Although I know nothing about the
> suspect(s)
> > in
> > > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> > principles
> > > and would not back down from what he thought was
> > right") can
> > > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> > abortion
> > > facilitators.
> > >
> > > 4.? Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally,
> to
> > know
> > > when to accept, for the good of the greater
> society,
> > laws
> > > with which we personally disagree - and when to
> stand
> > by our
> > > principles and disobey the laws of society.?
> That
> > applies to
> > > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> > >
> > > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> > ignored.
> > >
> > > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> > >
> > > ----------
> > > CWLee
> > > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited
> to
> > sacred
> > > cows.? Believing we should hire for quality, not
> > quotas, and
> > > promote for performance, not preferences.
> > >
> > > ========================
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> >
> > > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> > <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> >
> > > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> > <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > >
> > >
> > > >I think it's appropriate for the poly
> community to
> > think
> > > >about and talk
> > > > about this murder.? Dr. Tiller was a good
> > physician who
> > > > stood for his
> > > > principles and would not back down from
> what? he
> > thought
> > > > was right even
> > > > after being shot in the early 90's and
> being
> > harassed by
> > > > Kansas's former
> > > > Attorney General.? I hope I can stand as
> > steadfastly on my
> > > > principles.? May
> > > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed
> in the
> >
> > > > transparent tattered veils
> > > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Christine Heinsohn
> > >
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