From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 11:03 PM
"Boyd Smith" <boydw.smith@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> The phrase "unborn human" is a contradiction in terms.
> There is no such thing as an unborn human. No
such thing
> exists.
Semantics is one of the fields of study I found most
enlightening.
Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
============================
BWS
--- On Mon, 6/1/09, James F <hazelstars@msn.com>
wrote:
> From: James F <hazelstars@msn.com>
> Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue
1
> To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> Date: Monday, June 1, 2009, 7:15 PM
>
> I am partially still of older ethics concerning
abortion.
> I
> love babies and want to make more of them when I find
the
> right fertile woman for myself.
> To me this doctor was a joke of a christian, killing
> babies
> [while being an usher at church on Sundays] in last
> trimester term who should have been put up for
adoption.
> They are fully formed, fully human, not a stupid
valueless
> term called fetus. While babies are being killed every
10
> seconds
>
> there are tear jerking commericals on TV for
mistreated
> pet
> animals: cats and dogs telling pets are mistreated
every
> 10
> seconds,
>
> while at the same time, millions of babies are
> aborted.....duhhhh WTF!!!???
>
> Roe vrs Wade, three months later, TADAAA: Fish and
> Wildlife
> Preservation ACT {including plants}
>
> Sorry, I think some things have gone off center too
much
> numb non-thinking. The guy who shot the doctor had
enough
> conviction as well as the doctor who thought he was
doing
> a
> great service killing the unborn human. Fetus is a
catch
> phrase to lessen the guilt of what is done. The new
behind
> the skin untra sound/vision equipment says it all,
shows
> it
> all.
>
> Then all these cat/dog tear jerking commercials
wanting
> people to feel sorry for the animals, true that is a
cruel
> thing to do to animals, how much more
>
> to tear apart a baby as if it were dung being
disected? If
> any comments come back blasting me well ya'll know
what
> you
> can do. SEX is one thing, multi wives/husbands is
another
> thing - IT was not wrong in the Old Testament, was
not
> considered wrong until Mr. ST. Paul gave out macho
ideas
> against woman and anti sex the convenient bad
translations
> used in KJV. Yes I am opinionated too, not a follower
> of BS following the crowd group think feeling sorry
for
> this
> doctor. If freedom of my speech is not welcom,
> owell...
>
> regards Jim,
>
>
> > From: uupoly-l-request@uupa.org
> > Subject: UUPoly-L Digest, Vol 57, Issue 1
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> > Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2009 12:00:11 -0400
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> > 1. Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Christine
Heinsohn)
> > 2. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (CWLee)
> > 3. Re: Dr. George Tiller's Murder (Maria Snyder)
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:51:39 -0500
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Message-ID:
> <003a01c9e263$ef229330$cd67b990$@net>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
> >
> > I think it's appropriate for the poly community
to
> think about and talk
> > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good
physician who
> stood for his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was right even
> > after being shot in the early 90's and being
harassed
> by Kansas's former
> > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as
steadfastly on
> my principles. May
> > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed in
the
> transparent tattered veils
> > of religion wherever I find it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Christine Heinsohn
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 21:13:39 -0700
> > From: "CWLee" <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
Murder
> > To: <uupoly-l@uupa.org>,
> <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>,
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>,
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Message-ID:
> <BE5F40C567194BBE973DF3864E39E89D@System4>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed;
> charset="iso-8859-1";
> > reply-type=original
> >
> >
> > OK, here are my comments:
> >
> > 1. Murder is a crime. The suspect(s) deserves a
fair
> trial
> > and, if found guilty, punishment. I generally
favor
> capital
> > punishment for murder.
> >
> > 2. I know of no connection between this murder
and
> poly
> > issues, so I don't understand why the poly
community
> has any
> > more concerns or need to speak out about this
than any
> other
> > subset of society.
> >
> > 3. The victim is described as someone "who stood
for
> his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was
> > right". Although I know nothing about the
suspect(s)
> in
> > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> principles
> > and would not back down from what he thought was
> right") can
> > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> abortion
> > facilitators.
> >
> > 4. Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally,
to
> know
> > when to accept, for the good of the greater
society,
> laws
> > with which we personally disagree - and when to
stand
> by our
> > principles and disobey the laws of society. That
> applies to
> > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> >
> > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> ignored.
> >
> > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> >
> > ----------
> > CWLee
> > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited
to
> sacred
> > cows. Believing we should hire for quality, not
> quotas, and
> > promote for performance, not preferences.
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
>
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
>
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> >
> >
> > >I think it's appropriate for the poly
community to
> think
> > >about and talk
> > > about this murder. Dr. Tiller was a good
> physician who
> > > stood for his
> > > principles and would not back down from what
he
> thought
> > > was right even
> > > after being shot in the early 90's and
being
> harassed by
> > > Kansas's former
> > > Attorney General. I hope I can stand as
> steadfastly on my
> > > principles. May
> > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed
in the
>
> > > transparent tattered veils
> > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christine Heinsohn
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 3
> > Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 22:37:50 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Maria Snyder <miss_faery_maria@yahoo.com>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
Murder
> > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org
> > Message-ID:
> > <182880.55970.qm@web53508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >
> > While I don't know about all the poly groups that
were
> copied on this, I do think that this is an issue that
is
> near and dear to many UU's, as Dr.Tiller stood up for
> reproductive rights. As a Kansan, a UU, a Dir. of
> Religious
> Ed., and a mom?I am interested in?the topic and?I
think
> that
> Christine's thoughts are relevent to?at least the UU
> group.
>
> > ?
> > Maria?
> >
> > --- On Sun, 5/31/09, CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: CWLee <cwlee@post.harvard.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's
Murder
> > To: uupoly-l@uupa.org,
> KanPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> OKPoly@yahoogroups.com,
> mwpoly@yahoogroups.com,
> harp@yahoogroups.com,
> wnypoly@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 11:13 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > OK, here are my comments:
> >
> > 1.? Murder is a crime.? The suspect(s) deserves a
fair
> trial
> > and, if found guilty, punishment.? I generally
favor
> capital
> > punishment for murder.
> >
> > 2.? I know of no connection between this murder
and
> poly
> > issues, so I don't understand why the poly
community
> has any
> > more concerns or need to speak out about this
than any
> other
> > subset of society.
> >
> > 3.? The victim is described as someone "who stood
for
> his
> > principles and would not back down from what he
> thought was
> > right".? Although I know nothing about the
suspect(s)
> in
> > this case, the same statement ("he stood for his
> principles
> > and would not back down from what he thought was
> right") can
> > be made about some previous killers/shooters of
> abortion
> > facilitators.
> >
> > 4.? Sometimes it can be very difficult, morally,
to
> know
> > when to accept, for the good of the greater
society,
> laws
> > with which we personally disagree - and when to
stand
> by our
> > principles and disobey the laws of society.?
That
> applies to
> > both sides of many recent issues in the USA.
> >
> > Rational dialog welcome; emotional rants will be
> ignored.
> >
> > Best regards to all, Chuck Lee.
> >
> > ----------
> > CWLee
> > Former slayer of dragons; practice now limited
to
> sacred
> > cows.? Believing we should hire for quality, not
> quotas, and
> > promote for performance, not preferences.
> >
> > ========================
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christine Heinsohn" <kb4wyr@fhrd.net>
> > To: <KanPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
> <OKPoly@yahoogroups.com>;
>
> > <uupoly-l@uupa.org>;
> <mwpoly@yahoogroups.com>;
>
> > <harp@yahoogroups.com>;
> <wnypoly@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2009 7:51 PM
> > Subject: [UUPoly-L] Dr. George Tiller's Murder
> >
> >
> > >I think it's appropriate for the poly
community to
> think
> > >about and talk
> > > about this murder.? Dr. Tiller was a good
> physician who
> > > stood for his
> > > principles and would not back down from
what? he
> thought
> > > was right even
> > > after being shot in the early 90's and
being
> harassed by
> > > Kansas's former
> > > Attorney General.? I hope I can stand as
> steadfastly on my
> > > principles.? May
> > > I stand down the tyranny of hatred dressed
in the
>
> > > transparent tattered veils
> > > of religion wherever I find it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Christine Heinsohn
> >
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